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DianeC7 (Texas)
Posts: 4
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I live in a Texas HOA and the Directors of our HOA have re-written and filed new policies that go into effect 2/1/12. The policy that I question states: "Owner's shall conduct a criminal background check on all potential renters or users (non-owner occupants) and a copy will be given to the
Board of Directors, PRIOR to occupancy, for approval." My question is: Is this practice legal and why do they have the right to tell me who I can rent my home to? And..why do I have to pay for it? My thought is, if they want a background check on someone, then shouldn't they have to pay for it?
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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My first reaction/question is was it always policy that the BOD had the right to approve or disapprove the rental?

If yes, then they are simply asking for more information about the renter prior to excercising their right.

BradP (Kansas)
Posts: 2,640
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Diane:

I am not sure nor smart enough to know the fair housing laws. But I would make darn sure whatever policy and intended outcomes of that policy follow fair housing. There should be a plan in place to deal with the this. I think a fair question to ask the board is what are they looking for? What would disqualify someone from getting approved as a rentor? Who determines what is a severe crime and what isn't? Who is privy to this information and what steps will be taken to ensure this person's privacy?
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
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I guess my question would be: What they are going to do with the information?

Are they looking for a certain level of criminality? drunk driving? probation? child molester?

You are right, they may be interfering with your property rights.

They also might have a civil rights lawsuit on their hands if they make certain restrictions on only rentals.

PS - Do they require background checks on ALL members and residents in the HOA?
DianeC7 (Texas)
Posts: 4
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I have lived in this HOA for 20 years and this is the first time this has come up. No, they do not do background checks on homeowners here. I have no idea what they plan to do with this information. As I said before, I have lived here for 20 years and my the house is listed for sale. With the way the economy is today, IF I cannot sell right now, I was thinking I could rent it till times were better. I still feel this is between myself and whomever I may rent to.
JeffR7 (California)
Posts: 251
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Diane, do your governing docs have any restrictions on rentals? Does it say anywhere that rentals must be approved or that a certain language must be included in your lease?

Associations cannot interfere with who buys a property, but if CC&Rs allow it they may interfere with you renting it out. For examples there are associations that don't allow rentals at all or limit a number of rentals. They may not dictate terms of your lease but may require that your lease follows certain guidelines.
DianeC7 (Texas)
Posts: 4
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No, the CC&R's do not have that written anywhere. There are many rental properties within this park...this is just a new policy that will go into effect on Feb 2nd. I am just trying for figure out if this is legal. All I want to do is SELL and get retired to Florida.
JeffR7 (California)
Posts: 251
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I wouldn't thing it's illegal. They are not breaking any laws by requesting this information. The true questions if it's allowed by your governing documents and if it's enforceable if you don't comply.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
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This is smart policy writing and forward thinking. Wish more owners and HOA's would require this. I've had to have criminal backgrounf check when I moved into an apartment once. However, it just proved in THAT county I was clear. It's not foolproof.
I can tell you from experirnce that this not only protects you the owner but your neighbors. Which you and your neighbors make up the HOA...How would you feel if your neighbor rented their home to someone with a past? Would you say restricting this violates their rights? I think not. More HOA's need to monitor rental property for multiple reasons and most don't have a method to do this. Producing this paperwork is a goo thin.

Former HOA President
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,047
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Diane,

Is this policy a change to your CC&Rs or just a resolution the Association is adopting?

Are you in a condominium or a single family homes?

DianeC7 (Texas)
Posts: 4
Posted:
This is a revision of the policies & CC&R's dated for Feb 2012 and we are single homes. Again, I understand the need for security...my question is why should I have to pay for something the Board wants?
JeffR7 (California)
Posts: 251
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Posted By DianeC7 on 01/26/2012 3:07 PM
This is a revision of the policies & CC&R's dated for Feb 2012 and we are single homes. Again, I understand the need for security...my question is why should I have to pay for something the Board wants?

Because you chose to live in an HOA and you elected board members that believe that this is the best for the community.

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,047
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I know that some condominiums have the authority to approve or disapprove renters.

I understood that condo associations could do this because the association "owns" some of the unit and thus become a part of the contract. I'm not sure how an Association that doesn't own any part of the property being rented can have a say in whom the property can be rented to. Therefore, the legality will likely depend on the specific language of your documents.

You may need to run this by an attorney versed in contract law.

Tim
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
TIM

Why/what causes you to see/ask about a difference in condo versus single homes CC&R's?

I have asked about differences in COA's and HOA's and some say none.

Thanks

TimB4 (Tennessee)
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Posted By JohnC46 on 01/26/2012 7:03 PM
TIM

Why/what causes you to see/ask about a difference in condo versus single homes CC&R's?

I have asked about differences in COA's and HOA's and some say none.

Thanks


Because, as I stated, that I've heard condos having authority to approve buyers/renters. If they were a COA I would have been inclined to have said probably. Since they said that they were an HOA, I replied the way I did.

In general there is little difference in the way the associations are organized. However, many States have separate laws for COAs and HOAs. Some laws, like FL, have identical wording for both. Other States do not. Therefore, knowing if it's a COA vs. HOA vs. Co-op vs. Mobile Home Park vs. time share allows us to research and reference the correct laws.

LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
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Posted By DianeC7 on 01/26/2012 7:30 AM

I live in a Texas HOA and the Directors of our HOA have re-written and filed new policies that go into effect 2/1/12. The policy that I question states: "Owner's shall conduct a criminal background check on all potential renters or users (non-owner occupants) and a copy will be given to the Board of Directors, PRIOR to occupancy, for approval."

My question is: Is this practice legal and why do they have the right to tell me who I can rent my home to? And..why do I have to pay for it? My thought is, if they want a background check on someone, then shouldn't they have to pay for it?

Sorry if this sounds rude but I gotta ask: Why do you think you should have the right to populate your house (and your neighborhood) with criminals?
LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
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Posted By DianeC7 on 01/26/2012 3:07 PM
...my question is why should I have to pay for something the Board wants?

A prudent landlord would perform a background check on potential tenants. You imply that you do not intend to do a background check. My question is why should your neighbors suffer from your lack of prudence?
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,047
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Posted By LarryB13 on 01/26/2012 8:50 PM
Posted By DianeC7 on 01/26/2012 3:07 PM
...my question is why should I have to pay for something the Board wants?


A prudent landlord would perform a background check on potential tenants. You imply that you do not intend to do a background check. My question is why should your neighbors suffer from your lack of prudence?

Larry,

A prudent landlord would perform a credit check.

If your doing a background check what is the criteria for renting/not renting?

How far back to you check?

How many years must pass after an incident for the offender to be deemed reformed?

Does that apply to all incidents?

What if the person you are denying housing to is part of a protected class - how do you prove it was based on the background check and not discrimination?

As you can see there are many issues that need clarified prior to using a background check as a basis for denying renters. Therefore, the Association had better run any basis for denying housing based on a background check through an attorney as they may be opening the association up for litigation requiring a background check.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
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Posted By DianeC7 on 01/26/2012 7:30 AM
I live in a Texas HOA and the Directors of our HOA have re-written and filed new policies that go into effect 2/1/12. The policy that I question states: "Owner's shall conduct a criminal background check on all potential renters or users (non-owner occupants) and a copy will be given to the
Board of Directors, PRIOR to occupancy, for approval." My question is: Is this practice legal and why do they have the right to tell me who I can rent my home to? And..why do I have to pay for it? My thought is, if they want a background check on someone, then shouldn't they have to pay for it?

I would hope your Board checked with the Association attorney before implementing this policy, but as others have said here, getting a background check is a good idea. You want a credit check to see if the renter pays his/her bills on time (if they don't, what makes you think they'll pay their rent on time). I want a criminal background check, not only because I don't want someone who might build a meth lab in the kitchen, but because I want to try and ensure I'm not bringing a nuiscance in the neighborhood (would YOU want to be the landlord who rented to a registered sex offender and half the neighborhood is filled with kids?)

As far as the cost is concerned, you can always request an application fee like apartment complexes do (that's how they pay for background checks). Be sure you talk with your OWN attorney about what information you can ask for and how to protect it - if you get someone's SSN for an application, don't take steps to secure it and another person steals it and commits identity fraud, YOU may be held responsible

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
RenoldeI (New York)
Posts: 3
Posted:
You can just use those online resources (http://www.findermind.com/tag/best-background-check-services-companies/) Shouldn't be as expensive and they are pretty good.

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