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BonnieG1 (Nebraska)
Posts: 1,186
Posted:
I checked earlier forums on budgets. But still need to aske a question.
Following are our budgeted items:
advertising, safety, pest control, utilities, housekeeping, postage and mailing, printing and copying, office supplies (other), Maintenance, business expense, manager's fees, accounting fees, legal fees, outside contract services, contract services (other), survey, equipment rental, supplies, telephone-telecommunications, security system, trash removal, insuarance, savings, taxes, capital expenses.

Last year I spend hours preparinga budget. (We did not have one the previous year and I was new to the Board)

This year another Board member helped and it went much faster, but since last year's bookkeeper could not attend the meeting (physical problems) we were at a loss as to what some of the expenses were.

Contract services were certainly things like the elevator company, lawn service.

We were not 100% certain what was covered under other contract services.
The other Board member wondered if there were a budget template we could use.
We have already done the budget for this year (just needs entire Board approval)
But it will help for next year, or even later in this year.

Thanks for any help you can give.
DavidW5 (North Carolina)
Posts: 565
Posted:
Bonnie,

In response to similar questions about our previous HOA budgets, for our 2012 budget formulation process I implemented a requirement that each budget line item have a written "basis of estimate" (BOE). I designed a form to be used for the BOE's (I actually adapted a form I had used when I was responsible for the NASA Hubble Space Telescope budget). The narrative on the BOE states what work it covers and any assumptions used to arrive at the budgeted amount. The BOE's, once approved by the board, are shown as separate sheets in the Excel budget file.

With this information documented, we can better analyse the cause, impact and any needed corrective actions needed when we experience a significant variance of expenses relative to the budget.

KellyM3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 2,239
Posted:
Bonnie,

Excel documents allow you to create an excellent budget template using the expenses you face that you can list. Add to the list as you learn the individual expenses that aren't categorized. It's unusual what you face, but go forward in good faith and transparency.
BonnieG1 (Nebraska)
Posts: 1,186
Posted:
thanks Kelly, I do have the budget on an excell spreadsheet. Our problem is we weren't certain exactly what sub items were covered on some of the main items. The BOE mentioned previously sounds like a great idea to me.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,047
Posted:
Bonnie,

I'm not in a COA, but I'm willing to share our budget with you so you can have a place to start. email me if you want it: [email protected]

Your going to need to sit down with the Treasurer to draft a proper budget. In my Association, it's the treasurer that drafts the proposed budget. Without a proper budget you can't set the correct assessment amount.

Tim
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
Bonnie - sometimes committees are able to have input into the budget, based on their previous expenditures. Committee heads should know what they spent last year.

I know it says the treasurer is responsible for "creating" a budget, but you can't do that out of thin air. Anyone who had anything to do with those categories should have input.

SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 3,699
Posted:
Quote:
Committee heads should know what they spent last year.


I agree, you need a list of expenses before you can submit a budget otherwise your wasting your time. Make an appointment with the bookkeeper and get this info. If they cannot meet with you, its obvious a new bookkeeper needs to be hired. There is a paper trail somewhere, even if you have to use bank statements to look up expenses.
BonnieG1 (Nebraska)
Posts: 1,186
Posted:
Thanks for all the advise. Most of our Committe Heads keep a completely separate account from the general expenxe account.
Also the bookkeeper we had last year did resign. She was just helping us so that the transition to the new bookkeeper whom we have already hired would be smooth.
Hearsay is that the old bookkeeper does not believe in a budget.
SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 3,699
Posted:
Quote:
Most of our Committe Heads keep a completely separate account from the general expenxe account.


Each committee has a separate checking account? Huh?
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,047
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By BonnieG1 on 01/24/2012 6:49 AM

Hearsay is that the old bookkeeper does not believe in a budget.

Without a budget how did you establish the assessment amount?
BonnieG1 (Nebraska)
Posts: 1,186
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By TimB4 on 01/24/2012 2:00 PM
Posted By BonnieG1 on 01/24/2012 6:49 AM

Hearsay is that the old bookkeeper does not believe in a budget.


Without a budget how did you establish the assessment amount?

I have no idea how it was done before and when I mentioned that we should have a budget before increasing fees, I was basically told we need to increase the fees first. To me that is putting the cart before the horse.
Our fees are going up but not until June. We do have a budget that fits the increase.
Sometimes I feel like I am hitting my head against a brick wall. I thought maybe our documents specified we have a budget first, but apparently it doesn't just that the Board has the authority to increase fees.
BonnieG1 (Nebraska)
Posts: 1,186
Posted:
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Posted By SteveM9 on 01/24/2012 6:57 AM
Most of our Committe Heads keep a completely separate account from the general expenxe account.


Each committee has a separate checking account? Huh?

We have and Entertainment Committee, a Dinner Committe, an Enhancment Committe, A Nomination Committe. The only committes that hanle money are the Entertainment and Dinner Committee. The chair handles the money similiar to the way petty cash is handled. I am Entertainment Chair. We have Under $100.00 in this fund as it is funded by donations when we have entertainers. The dinner committe does not have much over $100.00 if even $100.00. It is funded by charging a set amount when we have our dinners. Non of the other committes have a budget. Whatever they need would come from the general fund of the association.

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