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MichaelY (Massachusetts)
Posts: 4
Posted:
Just became president and have discovered that funds have been dispursed from a capital trust account without vote by unit owners as written in the trust document.

Funds were used for capital improvements and no impropriety is evident,do I have a moral obligation to notify the unit owners and get there approval?
JohnB26 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,569
Posted:
IMO: yes
BruceF1 (Connecticut)
Posts: 2,535
Posted:
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Posted By MichaelY on 01/15/2012 7:27 AM
Just became president and have discovered that funds have been dispursed from a capital trust account without vote by unit owners as written in the trust document.

Funds were used for capital improvements and no impropriety is evident,do I have a moral obligation to notify the unit owners and get there approval?

I'm assuming this didn't happen on your watch.

I think the bigger question is, if the money has been spent, what do you propose to do if you don't get their approval?
JonD1
Posts: 2,350
Posted:
IMO you don't need to correct that which was improperly done before you served.

If you don't get approval what then?
If you do get approval what does that accomplish?

Moral obligations aside I think you need to focus on what takes place now and going forward not correcting mistakes made in the past that have little real impact on the property.

SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
Maybe there was not approval from the unit owners, but somewhere, there must be a paper trail by the board. See if you can find minutes of the meetings where there was a decision to use these funds. Can a former board member help you out?

I agree with others; no need to stir up things after the fact. The board should see about its obligation to reimburse the original fund, if it is needed.

KellyM3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 2,239
Posted:
Jon's correct. You're new president for a reason. Move forward and don't look backward in terms of board behavior, whether competent or not.
BradP (Kansas)
Posts: 2,640
Posted:
I would disagree with the "sweep under the rug" responses...While you can't change what happened as head of your HOA you have an obligation to inform the membership of what happened and a plan of action to reimburse the account if that is what is decided. I wouldn't want to be the president who got confronted with this information and accused of covering up.
KellyM3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 2,239
Posted:
Brad,

Nothing is being swept under the rug or hidden. A new administration, that better understands the by-laws, is now in charge and can articulate a "we're going by the by-laws explicitly" philosophy. By-laws are subject to interpretation and with the new president saying nothing nefarious was afoot in spending capital trust monies, a mountain stands to be made from a mole hill, not to mention people could interpret the reports they hear incorrectly and blame the new president and board.

I would recommend a disclaimer before a board opens discussion on the next capital expense project outlining the process for dispersing funds, drawing a distinction when someone rises to say, "we didn't do it like that the last time."

My opinion hinges on the "honest mistake/misinterpretation of by-laws" opinion offered by the new board president who launched this thread. The dues payers would, secondarily, be complicit by their long-term silence on the matter and/or unwillingness to pay even cursory attention.
RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 1,767
Posted:
If this capital trust account is in essence, a reserve account, I know that in California, the monies must be replaced within 12 months. Capital improvements generally are not funded by a reserve account, but rather an increase in assessments, or a special assessment altogether.
BradP (Kansas)
Posts: 2,640
Posted:
If you don't mention what was done then in essence you are sweeping under the rug. I think it is the job of the new administration to inform the members what happened and how you are going to fix it.
KellyM3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 2,239
Posted:
You don't sweep under the rug what was a public action, no matter that it was handled improperly. The people who benefited, the community, can kick in extra assessments to replenish their capital expense trust. Yeah, they'll do that to punish themselves.
BradP (Kansas)
Posts: 2,640
Posted:
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Posted By KellyM3 on 01/16/2012 4:59 PM
You don't sweep under the rug what was a public action, no matter that it was handled improperly. The people who benefited, the community, can kick in extra assessments to replenish their capital expense trust. Yeah, they'll do that to punish themselves.



According to the OP he was asking the question of whether he had to inform the community that there was an incorrect course of action taken so it is obvious the membership doesn't know about it. They know the work was done and may assume it was taken out of the proper account and have no idea what happened behind closed doors. The community will find out eventually that something happened, whether it is now through a replenishment of funds or later when someone discovers there isn't as much money in that account as there should be.

IMO, as a fresh administration, you bite the bullet and let the community know what happened. If you wait till later or don't ever tell the questions you will get asked are 1) did you know about it, 2) why didn't you tell us.
KellyM3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 2,239
Posted:
As a new president, I would not go rehash past boards and would not try to explain something of which I cannot have the full picture. Either option of communication is suitable to me but the new president is not and cannot be held complicit for past boards' actions, especially in this case. If a new board has a flair for drama, call a meeting, explain the situation as best possible, have no one in the room who'll fully explain why and what was going on and then move to your business at hand. Sweeping under the rug is the willful suppression of negligent behavior. This president noted some, admitted, ignorant board moves but nothing illegal and nothing that would generate community outrage. It isn't there.

Where harm is done, address it. Fight negligence at all costs. Never assume that an apathetic HOA community will fully grasp what it being said, be as "concerned" as one board member or even attribute the trouble to its rightful people.

I can tell you this new president will create problems for insisting on some sort of assessment or dues increase using past board's ignorant handling of money that hasn't contributed to HOA decline or inefficiency in the name of restoring capital/reserve funds.

But, fully disclose the past issue instead of making a policy clarification for capital trust fund expenses going forward. One approach is regressive and another corrects a wayward path and sets the tone for more-astute handling of HOA affairs.
JonD1
Posts: 2,350
Posted:
As the OP fails to provide a timeline as to when this occured or how much money was involved it becomes hard to address the perfect answer.

I just have to wonder why this new officer was reviewing the actions taken by previous Board members. Just how far do you now go back.

My guess many mistakes or actions improperly taken occur each and every day throughout the country by those acting in what they think is a legal and legitimate way.

I have to ask where were all the concerned owners when this took place?
Where were the Board members who served then? Any of them still serving?
Any of them still residing on the property?

You have to face the possibility you might be creating a few enemies when you now suggest they acted improperly. And in the end who will understand, who will really care, and was the property served any better?

I doubt the owners will take this matter seriously whatsoever unless the folks in MA are a lot different than the owners here in NY. They woulod have no real interest.

Lacking specific details to this situation I would NOT take up this cause in the name of now being the moral leader of the property. Not my job to right each and every wrong percieved or real. On my property I have other issues that require more attention.

BradP (Kansas)
Posts: 2,640
Posted:
how and when do you explain shortfalls in this trust fund then?
KellyM3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 2,239
Posted:
There is no mention that the capital expense trust is suffering a short fall. The only mention is that the new president says previous capital projects were funded without a direct membership vote but with obvious community benefit and no controversy once projects were complete.

yes, the irony is that the previous board didn't seem to be nefarious or sneaky with their Reserve fund dispersement, just showed an apparent ignorance of the by-laws (which isn't acceptable but that previous board is now out-of-power)

The new president should focus on explaining by-laws as future interpretations are needed and not try to speak up for or call out previous boards and previous directors.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
I wonder if the membership doesn't know already? It would seem if a major capital improvement was done, people would ask questions. I can't imagine it NOT upsetting the apple cart at one point. It doesn't appear there is an issue to reveal as the mistake may have lied in it NOT being a board vote but a general membership vote. Which the board are members of the HOA and represent the general membership.

I say move on and just don't make the same mistake in the future....

Former HOA President
BradP (Kansas)
Posts: 2,640
Posted:
i guess we will all have to agree to disagree, without anymore information being available I think this should be disclosed, but that is my opinion.

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