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BonnieG1 (Nebraska)
Posts: 1,186
Posted:
Our documents state "No businss, trade, occupation or profession of any kind, whether carried on for profit or otherwise, shall be conducted, maintained or permitted in any Apartent or the Common Areas and Facilities. This restriction, however shall not be deemed to prohibit an Ownr from maintaining his personal library therein or keeping his matters relating to business or professional records or accounts therein, or handling matters relating to his business by telephone or correspondence therefrom, such uses being expressly declared herein as customarily incidentalto the principal residential us.

A resident posted a notice of a fundraiser cookis sale by a granddaughter. I see nothing in our documents to prevent this type of activity.

But another resident insists that the part of the document I quoted above prevents even such a fundraiser.

What is your opinion on this. Thanks.
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
Girl Scout cookies?

If the girl is soliciting door to door, I'd object to that.

But if a poster is jusst informing people that her granddaughter is taking orders, I don't see that as fitting your definition of "business."

It is not permanent and the buyers are seeking her out for a one-time sale for a charity.

BradP (Kansas)
Posts: 2,640
Posted:
Bonnie:

I am not seeing the correlation to the covenants and don't think a fundraiser falls into it. I see nothing wrong with a once in awhile thing as long as they are not soliciting the neighborhood.
LawrenceC1 (Georgia)
Posts: 480
Posted:
Bonnie,

The other question you have to ask is whether the restriction is reasonable. Just because something is written in the CC&Rs doesn't mean it is enforceable. In general, if something is not reasonable then it's moot.

I would suspect that the restriction in your governing documents is to avoid having someone run a business out of their home that generates traffic, noise, or unsightly work-in-progress. Enforcing the restriction against such a business would be reasonable. Enforcing it against someone selling a few dozen cookies to the neighbors is not reasonable.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,047
Posted:
Bonnie,

This is when common sense needs to kick in.

Technically, a child's lemonade stand set up in the front yard on a hot summers day is a business.
Common Sense says this isn't what the intent of a "no business" rule is trying to prevent.

Tell the owner that, the Association has noted their concern and then let common sense prevail.
BrianB (California)
Posts: 2,820
Posted:
wow, with a rule like that, how do your homeowners get plumbers to come in? Or cable TV installers? Or painters, pizza deliveries, or house sitters?

BonnieG1 (Nebraska)
Posts: 1,186
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By BrianB on 01/14/2012 7:28 PM
wow, with a rule like that, how do your homeowners get plumbers to come in? Or cable TV installers? Or painters, pizza deliveries, or house sitters?


The rule states a person cannot conduct a business from his unit, it doesn't prevent repairment from coming. I could not tutor students, but a plumber can come if I have a stopped up sind.
LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
Bonnie:

I agree with Brian.

Under your covenants, no one is permitted to carry on a business on your premises.

If your sink is stopped up, you have to fix it yourself or take the sink to the plumber. The good news is you are allowed to telephone the plumber to let him know you are on the way with your sink.

Larry
LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
Now, to get serious.

Most declarations do not require the board to take action on each and every complaint. If your declaration has language that allows owners to enforce the covenants through legal action, you might want to consider the following response:

"Thank you for alerting the Board of Directors of a possible violation of our Declaration. The Board has determined that taking action in this matter would not be a prudent use of our shared resources and therefore declines to take any further action at this time. You are free to pursue legal action against the alleged violator at your own expense."
BrianB (California)
Posts: 2,820
Posted:
thanks Larry...

nice to know someone else reads it the same as I do. Whether I am a plumber or I pay a plumber, business is being conducted.

It's too bad all these folks didn't just write down what they really meant when they wrote these regulations years ago.
BonnieG1 (Nebraska)
Posts: 1,186
Posted:
Thanks to all who replied. I never read it as not allowing a plumber in to work on my pipes. Our over 30 year old documents desparately need revising.

Once I mentioned to our President that I felt every Board member should have a copy of all the contracts, she said something to that is too much paperwork.

When I was at Home Depot (on my own) just checking on the price of a mold tester (A resident has been complaining of mold) See discouraged me from buying it.

It just seems that see puts a lid on anything I suggest so I know revising our documents is not on her radar. And since I am Secretary, I am not thrilled about it, but I know it needs to be done.
JeffR7 (California)
Posts: 251
Posted:
Revising documents is not up to the president, it' up the board. Many people seem to forget that a president has only one vote on a board, same as everyone else.

Make a motion, have someone second it, and vote. If the majority of board members agrees with you it doesn't matter what your president thinks.
BonnieG1 (Nebraska)
Posts: 1,186
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By JeffR7 on 01/15/2012 9:30 PM
Revising documents is not up to the president, it' up the board. Many people seem to forget that a president has only one vote on a board, same as everyone else.

Make a motion, have someone second it, and vote. If the majority of board members agrees with you it doesn't matter what your president thinks.

Thanks, that is great advise. However, I need to be really certain that I am ready to do all the work involved as Secretary before I make a motion and I want to do my homework so that I will know exactly what is involved in revising our documents.
Currently we are preparing for the annual meeting so I definitely will wait until after the annual meeting and after I have done some more homework.

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