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PaulaW1 (Georgia)
Posts: 1
Posted:
We wondered if we could take any means beyond liens to recoup back assessments. Can we file in small claims court for late dues? We are a HOA and have placed liens but our association does not have enough money to pay bills and we are a no frils group. Not much we can cut. Is there power beyond the lien to be cleared when property is sold?
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
A claim in a small claims court and a lien are BOTH considered "Judgements". The difference between the two are a lawsuit judgement allows a person to sell their property and take years to pay off the judgement. Those lawsuit judgements have to be renewed every 7 to up to 15 years to keep active. How many people are going to remember in 7 years to renew it? It's pretty much money gone down the drain.

A lien on the other hand is either free or costs low amount to file. Not all liens require a lawyer to file. Have to check with your state/county what those rules are as each is different. The costs of filing is part of the lien. So if you hire a lawyer to file it, that cost is added onto the lien plus filing costs. The lien can NOT be lifted until the property is sold. This keeps the owner's feet to the ground and unable to sell until they pay it off. It also accumulates if they continue to NOT pay the dues/assessments. They just may take a long time to pay it off as they can use the property as rental or just not sell for a long time.

Read your documents in what your HOA is allowed to do. It tells you your legal options and if you can charge interest to the amount owed. Keep in mind if you pursue a foreclosure option, many states don't allow that to be based on fines. It has to be unpaid dues/assessments. Plus foreclosure is a "stop the bleeding" option and NOT a money making oportunity. They don't cost alot to do but only should be done under the right conditions. NEVER EVER foreclose on a home already in foreclosure from the bank. The HOA is basically doing the bank's job for them AND the bank ALWAYS gets paid first. The HOA ONLY gets what is left over.

Hope that helps you in making the decision. Liens may be time consuming but they have better teeth in the long run.

Former HOA President
JeffR7 (California)
Posts: 251
Posted:
Paula, absolutely go for small claims while the amount is still withing small claims court limits. It costs next to nothing to do and may have a positive impact. First of all it's a physiological step for a person to appear in court and lose. Also small claims judgement gives you ability to collect money from sources other than the home. A lot will depend on your local laws, but you maybe able to garnish wages, put liens on bank accounts, if the person owns a business collect property from the business, or even repossess and sell one's car.

You may have to do some research but small claims (any court really) generally gives you more options to collect than having a lien on a property and hope that the property sells and there is enough money to pay your lien
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
That is BAD advice. Small claims gives you a JUDGEMENT it does NOT give you the money. A person can sell and move out of the property and NEVER EVER pay that judgement. A person can live with a judgement against them for years. Plus your way of collecting is very limited. It's either salary garnishment or acquiring property from them the value of what they owe. Then you still have to sell that property. If there's a profit from selling that property the person gets to keep the profit and the HOA only the amount owed. What point does this make a lawsuit make sense?

A lien is a JUDGEMENT and to think after winning a lawsuit to put a lien on is going an extra unnecessary step. Why pay court costs to take someone to court as the HOA does have to hire a lawyer to represent themselve in c ourt? A lien can be filed free or low cost in some states. Others require a lawyer to file but that doesn't compare to hiring them to represent you in court. Average costs can be about $400 to file a lien. It depends on the area and situation. A lien prevents that person from selling their property and accumulates as long as they don't pay. A lawsuit doesn't accumulate and doesn't always collect court/filing fees. If a person still doesn't pay during the lawsuit, then why are they going to pay after the HOA wins? Just have to file another lawsuit...

Liens/Foreclosures are the "teeth" of a HOA. It doesn't mean it is going to chew very fast but it's not going to let you go either...

Former HOA President
JeffR7 (California)
Posts: 251
Posted:
Melissa, you seem to have only one solution for every problem. Maybe it's something that worked for you, but it may not be applicable in every case. It's unfortunate that every advice you give on this board is based on somewhat limited experience you have, but you make it sound like that's the only option.

Nowhere in my message I said that a lien shouldn't be filed. The OP asked for additional ways to attempt to collect. A lien is a safety net which an association must file, but it's not an aggressive way to collect. Also most likely if the person is not paying their assessment they have other debt and possibly are late on their mortgage. Depending on when the property was purchased on market conditions in your area there may not be any money left to satisfy association's judgement when a property is sold.

An association must pursue every option of collecting assessments allowed by law. Not only it helps with financials, but it also sends a very strong message to all living in a community that they are serious about collection.

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,047
Posted:
Jeff and Melissa are both right.

Winning in small claims court allows you to collect the money. However, getting the other person to pay may or may not be an issue. Here is an article I found about it on lawyers.com:

Collecting on Small Claims Judgments
LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
I have posted elsewhere on this forum the disaster our association encountered in trying to collect unpaid assessments.

Most states place first mortgages ahead of HOA liens, so many liens will never be collected if the member's lender forecloses. HOA liens can sit on the record for decades and not be collected until the property is sold. The lien remedy offers little substance to most HOA's.

In theory, the owner owes the unpaid assessments as long as he owns the property. Lender foreclosures and tax sales do not eliminate the owner's debt. This allows the HOA to file civil lawsuits to obtain money judgments for the delinquent assessments.

The reality is that an HOA can easily spend a ton of money to get judgments that will never be collected. Never lose sight of the fact that you will be spending money that you actually have to chase after money you may never collect. Kinda like spending the grocery money on lottery tickets.

Based on experience, I would offer the following rules for seeking judgments:

1. Never file a lawsuit against an absentee owner unless you know for sure where he can be found. If you cannot find him, you cannot serve him with the summons and complaint. If you cannot serve him in most states you cannot get a judgment, so filing a suit in this situation is a waste of the filing fee.

2. If your state laws or court rules allow it, an officer of your HOA should represent the HOA. If you hire a lawyer to represent your association, you will have to pay him his fees whether you win or lose. The chances of collecting a judgment are so low that I would write off an unpaid assessment before I would ever pay someone in advance to try to collect it.

3. The reality is that no organization -- not even the IRS -- collects everything that it is owed. Therefore, do not go off the deep end chasing after unpaid assessments.

LawrenceC1 (Georgia)
Posts: 480
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Posted By PaulaW1 on 01/02/2012 7:00 AM
We wondered if we could take any means beyond liens to recoup back assessments. Can we file in small claims court for late dues? We are a HOA and have placed liens but our association does not have enough money to pay bills and we are a no frils group. Not much we can cut. Is there power beyond the lien to be cleared when property is sold?

Paula,
Georgia has a provision in the law called "fieri facias" which is usually abbreviated to FiFa. After you get a judgment, either in superior court or magistrates (small claims) court you can pursue a FiFa. This then gives you the right to attach personal property or garnish wages to collect on your judgment.
It's very satisfying to enter a scofflaw's house with the local sheriff and walk out with their big-screen TV.
A great book on this subject is "Fi-Fa's, Levys and the Collection of Judgments in Georgia" by Rickey E Tumlin. It is available at Amazon.com.
And as someone else pointed out in this thread, you can pursue a judgment while your lien stays in place, and have the benefits of both strategies simultaneously.

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