President emailing community telling them that she already has enough votes to block her recall.

Yes, it's me with the recall election again.

Yesterday it was brought to my attention that our current President who is being recalled emailed the community ( I as was the others involved in her recall not on this list ) alerting them of several facts..

1.) that a recall has been started.

2.) that they are going through the motions for legal purposes but " I already have enough supporters who will block a recall" and has faith she will not be romoved!!!

Is this very appropriate? I feel the email is inappropriate and never did address the issues of what the recall was about..

Certainly is an interesting way to fight it, claim to have enough votes so others don't show up.
Looks like the recall committee better get moving an collecting proxies or encouraging people to show up. This will probably require face to face conversations rather then a newsletter.

The "reasons for the recall" should be emphasized. THAT should be your focus.

If you have made your "case" then don't sweat the vote.

Just be sure that people attend to cast their vote on the motion to recall.

The email list is not needed. I have the homeowners addresses in which a copy of the petition and a short letter asking for support in a yes to recall vote.

I will say that I am a bit surprised at no attempt to explain the listed concerns but actually commented she "has enough votes" and that they are just follow the legal law with the recall... kind of a slap in the face. I don't know how this will go over but it's sort of intimidating.

I always get a kick out of folks that start a recall or perhaps move to drop an MC and once the very first step is completed expect the opposing party to fold up shop and walk away.

Naive to say the the least. Evidently, this President has no plans to ride off into the sunset because a recall has been started. And just to be clear her letter claiming she has enough votes to defeat this effort while troubling to those seeking her removal I would be more concerned with what she is doing behind the scenes that you know nothing about.

You make an enemy you had better be prepared for a fight. And whether you win or lose in some cases if not all there will be consequences.

Now if this were me I would not only owrk to MATCH her effrots I would work day and night to beat her at her own game. Now that's where the problems come in becuase many people just think they now sit back and ding dong the witch is dead. Doesn't sound like this is the case in this matter.

Now I hope you have plans as to who will fill the position just in case you are successful. I hope these parties have some idea what they are required to do. I hope you have a strong relationship with your MC because whose side they come down on might be important.

I hope you have records, passwords, bank information, contracts, and any other documents that might fail to be turned over in case you win.

When you attack people and their behavior (whether justified or not) the response you might get can be tough to deal with. Sounds like this woman plans to resist, now who is willing to make more of an effort????

Time to sit back and wonder is over. Time to act is NOW! The owners better hear very forcefully from those who are responsible for this recall. Better dot your Is and cross your Ts.

While I don't know the particulars of your story I cannot take sides as to who is in the right here.

Assuming your property will best be served by her removal I will offer my opinion.

You cannot expect people to operate as you might. Although you may be selfrespecting
not everyone is. Some people will say and do anything that serves them.

If you have been waiting for her to step down that wait should now be over.

And your observation as to who paid the postage while legitimate really serves only as a sign as to how far this person will go and how well thought out her behavior is.

Now will the property owners sit back and not vote for lack of a 44 cent stamp? If so you have another problem. And why wouldn't thios person contact HER supporters she wants THEM to vote not someone who might oppose her.

My one meesage to you if you hear anything is that there are no rules. And what you view as fair play and above board simply does not matter. Dwelling on these issues does not serve your efforts.

The ends justifies the means................. So I now know what the President is willing to do the only question left to be answered is "What are you and your like minded owners willing to do?"

And just so you know where I am coming from. I joined my board back in 1987. The board wad full of old boy doing business under the table and wasting every dollar collected each and every year.

It was going to be difficult for most, impossible for some to change things. The owners wanted no part. Many couldn't care less. The President had served for years and was going no where. I had one vote.

I worked over the YEARS to remove him and those that supported him. I went dooor to door.
I explained to people what was taking place and who was responsible.

And then one night after they had served more than 20 years on the board after the elections the President, VP, and Treasurer were ALL voted out!

As Ross Perot used to say "we're going to have to get dirty on this one".

You can take the high and spend time questioning this person's behavior or you can work to she she is removed. One serves your best interest one does little in that regard.

And I think Oprah says " sooner or later people will show you who they really are, then it is up to you to treat them accordingly" or something close tom that.

This woman has clearly showed you ALL who she is and what she is willing to do. My question is how will you treat her going forward????

My guess don't count on her to do YOUR version of what's right.

Never show up to a knife fight with a knife, always bring a gun.........................

Jon thank you. I suppose "the proof is in the pudding". I have been told by a few recall supporters stories of blatant disregard of rules, harsh interactions, horrific emails, embarssing interacactions on behalf of our board... and there was one public incident that pursed the idea of a recall The President came down to the pool area where myself, and 5 other homeowners were talking about the proposed changes in some rules. Everyone new we had new rules and ccrs coming up for vote. THe president came down and personally accused me ( which was not the right accusation at all,) of orchestrating the meeting. THe person who brought us all together to discuss ideas was there... and it was a sight to see. She also went on about how we will all be hearing from our property management company due to this "illegal meeting", said "you never listen Fiona and that's why you get ingot trouble... all in public, all with jaws open. I since then did our own research and our local laws consider this no such thing.

The reaction and conduct by the said president was so out of proportion with what was going on, we all thought there is something more to her issues, and are concerned about her ability as President .

Board meetings are defined by the Davis-Stirling Act as a gathering of a majority of directors at the same time and place to "hear, discuss, or deliberate upon any item of business that is within the authority of the board." Civil Code §1363.05(k)(2)(A). This includes email between directors
As you can see, her mis-judgement and actions were not justified and actually were very volatile to those who were present One of the guests there was a brand new homeowner who asked.. who in the hell is that? That sir, is your HOA President.....

Sometimes pressures from our personal lives take over and our judgements as a HOA Board member get skewed, but homeowners are actually thinking there is a real issue here.

Jon thank you. I suppose "the proof is in the pudding". I have been told by a few recall supporters stories of blatant disregard of rules, harsh interactions, horrific emails, embarssing interacactions on behalf of our board... and there was one public incident that pursed the idea of a recall The President came down to the pool area where myself, and 5 other homeowners were talking about the proposed changes in some rules. Everyone new we had new rules and ccrs coming up for vote. THe president came down and personally accused me ( which was not the right accusation at all,) of orchestrating the meeting. THe person who brought us all together to discuss ideas was there... and it was a sight to see. She also went on about how we will all be hearing from our property management company due to this "illegal meeting", said "you never listen Fiona and that's why you get ingot trouble... all in public, all with jaws open. I since then did our own research and our local laws consider this no such thing.

The reaction and conduct by the said president was so out of proportion with what was going on, we all thought there is something more to her issues, and are concerned about her ability as President .

Board meetings are defined by the Davis-Stirling Act as a gathering of a majority of directors at the same time and place to "hear, discuss, or deliberate upon any item of business that is within the authority of the board." Civil Code §1363.05(k)(2)(A). This includes email between directors
As you can see, her mis-judgement and actions were not justified and actually were very volatile to those who were present One of the guests there was a brand new homeowner who asked.. who in the hell is that? That sir, is your HOA President.....

Sometimes pressures from our personal lives take over and our judgements as a HOA Board member get skewed, but homeowners are actually thinking there is a real issue here.

Fiona,

From all you have posted my warning is, if your recall is successful, don't expect the president to step aside gracefully.