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DaveS5 (Indiana)
Posts: 4
Posted:
Hi there everyone. I enjoy reading all these articles and found them very interesting. Keep up the good work.

I am a retire Sergeant Major form the US Army. I have a proven track record of effective leadership of 27 years of active duty in both peace time and in war. My wife and I just purchased a beautiful Condo on a Gulf Course. Hopefully in the next year or so I can learn to play gulf.

We have a HOA in place. The HOA was previously in the hands of the developers. Since all the lots have been sold, the HOA is now in the hands of the property owners. We are in the process of creating a Board with 5 voting members. We are to vote of board members on January 5th, 20121. There were three individuals elected to run a temporary board until we vote in our new board. One of the individuals (Mr. X) on the board is relator and he is running for the President of the HOA. Mr. X is also my next door neighbor.

When we moved into our Condo, we received no welcome by no one in the community. We found that very odd, but we soon found out why, but that is a long story. After 2-3 months, my wife was outside with are little Chihuahua (name Luke) playing with him. The next door neighbor Mrs. X was also outside. My wife approached her and introduced herself to Mrs. X. Mrs X immediately started "in a loud voice" you need to keep your dog from barking so much. Barking dogs are in violation of the HOA by laws. Mrs X kept on saying things about our dog barking all the time over and over and over. Mrs. X completely discarded the my wife's introduction to her. So my wife went back into the house. Yes, our dog barks like any other little Chihuahua until they get to know you. Mrs X was very disrespectful to my wife.

We (my wife and I) stayed on the "high road", saying Good Morning to Mr and Mrs X to an attempt to be nice and friendly. They never return a greeting. Even today when they see us, they don't say a word.

Over the past several months we have learn from other sources that Mr and Mrs X are angry individuals becasue they had to move from a $800,000 house into a $180,000 Condo, and they Mrs X lost $1.3 million dollars from her mother becasue of her husband filing a Chapter 7 for a failed business. But that is there business and not ours. But they should not take it out on us. We are a normal retired military family, middle class that pays ours bills, and lead an active and fun life.

I also requested a meeting with Mr X, but he will not meet with me becasue he says it doesn't have any value.

After reading the above, could someone give me some advise on how to effectively run for office of the President of the HOA. I want to block his nomination and run for the position, to but in some effective leadership in the community to turn it around. I have more experience in leadership then in the military. I am also a retired Vice President of an IT Department. I know for a fact, I turn instill some leadership in this community that will make us all a happy family.

So how do I run for office ?

Can a request to debate Mr X ?

How do I exposed Mr and Mrs X to the community as non leaders, and are very angry individuals becasue of their losses?

In closing, if you have any suggestions for me, I am open to anything, please send me e-mail to: [email protected]

Thanks

Dave

PS: I am not a good proof reading, so please forgive me for any grammar or spelling mistakes.

SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
Have you ever served on a board before? (like at church or a volunteer group)
It's a lot different from the military. the president does not LEAD the HOA, rather he/she walks along side others along the path to govern the HOA, sometimes being the guide.

Study your CCRs and bylaws. Know them backwards and forwards. Get the financials of the HOA and study them, too. Study the minutes of the meetings from the past, if there are any. Look up things on Google about the roles that boards play in HOAs.

Then learn how to lead a meeting. There are several books out there - Sturgis Parliamentary Procedures or Roberts Rules of Order. You will have to keep meetings under control and be effective at the same time. You must be able to work with committees, too.

I suggest that you get on a committee first, then consider running for the board, THEN put your hat in at the next election to run and let it be known you are interested in the presidency.

Good luck.
BruceF1 (Connecticut)
Posts: 2,535
Posted:
DaveS,

If your HOA is structured like most HOAs I am familiar with, you can't simply run for "president of the HOA." If your HOA is like most, the association members elect directors to serve on the Board of Directors (BOD) and the board then meets (usually termed an organizational meeting) and elects the association officers. You would have to read your bylaws to see if this is the process, but it is my expectation that it is.

So, it's a two-step process. First, you would have to convince enough homeowners to vote for you to be on the board of directors. Then, if you are successful in being elected to the board, you would have to convince at least three of the five board members that you should be elected as the HOA president.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
I can empathize with you. My neighbor and I have had a "war" going on over "barking dogs". Long story but it's just a way for them to get attention.

Everyone has a reputation behind doors besides outdoors. You don't know what everyone is saying about him behind those doors. The person I ran against was considered a "Pillar" of the community as he had done the job for several year. However, come to find out this person was a scumbag con-artist using the HOA funds for his own benefit. The only reason he agreed for me to run is that he thought I would get elected and he could get the money through me instead. That way no one would catch on to his hand being so heavily in the till. I found this out rather quickly before the elections from several members I talked to. He didn't know I had his number and thus was elected by the membership who had confided in me. He got the message when I fired all of his friends and put him on notice on how he had to bid on jobs. I admittedly had to play both sides otherwise he was a blackmailer who in the past had labelled previous rivals as "Crazy".

If you want this, then run for it. It's either you or him that is going to be President. Just make sure it's you. I would do it by being a rule educated candidate. Meaning everywhere you go, you bring a copy of the HOA rules with you. Know those things backwards and forwards. If anyone asks you a question, respond with "I will have to check with our rules before I can give you a proper response". People respond to those who they believe will follow the "rule book" of the HOA. You may even offer informal "workshops" to discuss different areas of the rules for better understanding. You may also want to spearhead changing those CC&R's and updating them. They will need updating to remove the Developer's name in them once the turnover happened. The voting system will also change. You will see the process of how to have the owner's change/adapt rules in the documents.

I think you have a chance if you make one important issue your own. Even if it's not the rule modifications. Find a project like a community garden or a volunteer clean up day. Something that gets people to know you and shows the job you can do for them.

Former HOA President
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
In addition to studying the Bylaws and CCRs, you may want to walk around your community and get to know your neighbors. Ask them what sorts of things they like and don't like about the community and suggestions on improving ti. Think about their suggestions and think about what you'd like to see, put them together and make your case when the association meets to vote.

I've found it takes about a year to get well acquainted with the goings on of a HOA, so give yourself time. In my HOA, we prefer our presidents have at least two years of experience and that seems to work out since our terms are two years at a time.

Finally, I note you're in Indiana - if you're in the Central Indiana area, consider joining the local CAI (Community Association Institute). CAI is a national organization of HOAs and companies working with them and the local chapter has quarterly meetings and seminars on various HOA subjects. It's great to meet different people and get ideas on what to do (and not do!) in a HOA. I can't remember the website address, but if you Google it, you should find it.

Whether you become president or not, I'm glad you care enough about your community to get involved - so many people move in and do nothing but complain. Good luck to you!

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
BradP (Kansas)
Posts: 2,640
Posted:
Dave:

as others have mentioned I would study your documents and learn them, I would also attend any meetings between now and the election. I would also get out and meet with your neighbors, tell them of your interest and ask them if there are things they would like to see done.

I would caution with this, don't run just to spite your neighbor or block him, run because it is truly something you want to do. HOA board work can be a thankless job often with a bullseye on your back.

As to your quetions, you can ask to debate him, not sure what value that would provide unless you actually have an audience. I would forget about exposing anyone, doint that is childish and does nothing but promote bad feelings and issues. At the end of the day most of us are good at exposing our true selves without anyone's help anyway. If they haven't already they will let folks know what they are all about and people can fill in the blanks.
KellyM3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 2,239
Posted:
Don't run out of spite.

Do not entertain the notion of becoming an HOA president before simply serving as a director of the board.

I like the comment made above that presidents don't rule over the board. They do not. They persuade and work on projects, hopefully with overwhelming board support.
KellyM3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 2,239
Posted:
Don't run out of spite.

Do not entertain the notion of becoming an HOA president before simply serving as a director of the board.

I like the comment made above that presidents don't rule over the board. They do not. They persuade and work on projects, hopefully with overwhelming board support.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,047
Posted:
Dave,

Thank you for your service to our County. Your decision to serve on the Board should be the same decision used when you stayed in the military - TO SERVE. The Board should not be a place for personal agendas but for the betterment of the development.

As others have said - Read and understand your documents. Also Read and understand corporate law.

Submit your name to the nomination committee and start letting people know you have done so.

Typically, there are no debates - there may be a quick introduction with qualifications at the meeting or in a newsletter.

Hope this helps,

Tim

DaveS5 (Indiana)
Posts: 4
Posted:
SusanW1

Thanks you so much for your information. We don't have committees. All we will have a five member board, and they are are influence by this one guy Mr X who is a realtor who know all about HOA. At the second meeting her held, not one had the courage to stand up and disagree with him. When I stood up and ask what are the procedures of how to run for office, he told all the people that want to run for office to submit their resume to him. Later he changed the resume format, and now he wants:

Spouse’s Name (if any)
Unit Number
Years living on Sierra Ridge
Short Description of what you do…..what you did, and etc.

Why does it have to be his why. I have a sold record of over 45 years working in Military for over 27 years, VP of an IT Department, Director of the Olympics Network Operations for Communication in 1995, taught school at GA Tech, etc.... I'm a gifted individual with years and years of proven effective leadership and team building. If I was not effective and my leadership abilities was not good enough, I would have never retired as a Sergeant Major or promoted to a Vice President position.

It seems to me that he just wants to control things so he can see what everybody submitted so he can counter our BIOS to make him look good. I hope you can understand what I mean. Why don't he publish his BIO and let me look at it before I submit one ??? NO, becasue he has an hidden agenda.

Maybe you are right, maybe I should just roll over and stop. Because maybe they are not ready for effective and fair leadership I can provide. I've have a keen scene of sizing up men becasue of my years in the military. I'm not bragging, it just a fact. I can see right thru him and his hidden agenda.

One more thing please. It there such thing of "Conflict of Interest" where some people should not run for office? He is a relator, and I believe becasue of what he does a living, there could be some conflict of interest on his part. Comments please. How can he sell home and condo's here when he is one the board.?

Thanks

Dave Skinner
DaveS5 (Indiana)
Posts: 4
Posted:
Yes you are perfectly correct. Running out of spite is wrong and I will not run. Someone told me I need two years of experience to run for President.

The president may not rule the board, but his personality will or can persuade the board of doing things. I've seen so many people practice leadership by their personality. Leading by personality is wrong, fair and not effective. Also, he does not set the example and possess the character to be the president of this board.

Over the weekend I sent him a e-mail message asking for a meeting between him and I, and he responded that if I can prove to him my meeting has VALUE ON THE PHONE than he may consider it. Gee......that's a leader. I just wanted a simple meeting between him and I at a natural place to sort our our issues. But he refused.

I'm done. But thank you very much for your message. I appreciate it

Dave
DaveS5 (Indiana)
Posts: 4
Posted:
SheliaH,

Yes I care very much about this community and with my 40 years of leadership ability and team building I can turn this community around. I have never lived in a community that is so dead. Non friendly, no block parties, no noting to bring people together. They are only interested putting "TEETH" and "LIENS" and "FORECLOSURES" on people that are being in their association dues. And how much the association is in debt of miss management over a ten year period. I only live here one year, and when I purchased my condo, no one told me that the association was in debt $8,000 - $10,000 becasue they didn't pay their bills. NOW, they want the current owners pay for the money from the debts that owe years before I purchased my condo. THAT IS NOT FAIR. Plus, it took them over 10 years to get that way, and it will take time to be solvent, but it's not going to happen over night.

I want to take a more compassion approach with all people and also people that owe back association fees. We are dealing with families here that might be having a hard time financially becasue of the high unemployment and the economy which sucks. There only 19 condo in the association. That is not too many to manage. If I was the President of the Association my approach would be totally different. I would

- show some compassion and understanding. Get to know the individuals and not just the NUMBER OF THEIR UNIT. It's their home we are talking about, not a car, credit card, etc..... They are people not just the number of the condo. When Jesus walked the earth he lead us by example in showing compassion to your fellow man and asked each of us to show compassion toward your neighbor.

- try to get to know the individuals that are behind with dues, and work out a payment schedule, and keep in contact with the family.

- One on of the traits of being an effective leader is to show compassion. Mr X don't show compassion at all. His first words out of his mouth was to putting "TEETH" and "LIENS" and "FORECLOSURES" on people.

I know that running an association is a business and we need to pay our bills. But I learn long a time ago, a more friendly approach with compassion in resolving problems works for each of us.

I'm done. Merry Christmas SheliaH and happy new years to you and your family.

Dave

SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
No one can "screen" candidates for office (Except if they violate what is in the bylaws, i.e. must be a member of the HOA)

You must attend meetings to find out what's going on here. It sounds like he is a one-man band - the other board members are weak and just go along with him.

Find out when the next elections are. Insist that you be on the ballot and privately go door to door and campaign. Tell people that you will be on the ballot and will work for their best interests.

But you MUST be more informed if you are going to go toe to toe with him. (Know your enemy, huh?) He seems very knowledgeable, you must be, too.

Him being a realtor is not a conflict of interest unless he is gaining monetarily from decisions made by the board (like getting commissions on sales of HOA owned properties)

SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
Back at ya, Dave!

I really wish you lived in my community - we consist of townhomes and it would be great if we had events like block parties, but these folks don't even take time to come to the annual meeting (a once a year even that usually takes 30 minutes or less).

By the way, a community project might be a great way for you to get involved in the community (and your neighbors would learn more about you). Perhaps you could spearhead some sort of community wide project to benefit the Wounded Warriors Project or another such group - as a retired serviceman,, surely people would pay attention and do something to help.

As for the "teeth, liens and foreclosure" stuff, I know what you're saying, but sadly, one thing you will learn when you get going on your HOA board (and I believe you will) is that some people are users and takers and instead of realizing that all of us have to work together to make the community go, they only care about themselves and what they want, and to hell with the assessments (because they're too dang high!)

I also know, and agree with you that for others, compassion is in order. It can be embarrasing and scary to admit you're having financial trouble, so whatever you can do to meet them halfway to get them current as quickly as possible is weicome.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius

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