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LindaW15 (Florida)
Posts: 3
Posted:
When I married I did not change my last name. My husband, because of a medical problem, bought me a double wide and put it in my name.

The park required us as husband and wife sign a lease which identified us as owner/tenants.

It has been the long standing practice of the HOA to take the list provided by the Park to give membership to the HOA. Because our names differed someone objected to us running for office after my husband ran and was elected a board member.

They went to the title bureau (they have never done this for any other member) and found my name is the only name on the title. This individual wants him removed from office. Just recently two board members resigned for health reasons. Seems while they held office, they were not on the title to their home. They had transfered it to their children. In the past a man and woman lived together not married, she was the only one on the title, and he served a full term on the board.

First of all, I say its discrimination to check just us and not one of the other 200 members.

Second, I believe they have already set a precedent of accepting as gospel what
names the Park gives as the owners.

Third, they dont ask to see anyones lease, certificate of title, of marriage certificate but we had all this information aired to the community.

Can the HOA, Officers in particular, be sued for discrimination,inconsistent application of rules, and invasion of privacy.

Is there a marital rule that married people who acquire property while they are married that says marital assets are co-owned?

NEED SOME CLARIFICATION BEFORE THE JANUARY ELECTIONS.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,047
Posted:
Linda,

The term member and/or owner are usually defined within your governing documents. If not, the common accepted practice of who owns what is based on whose name is on the deed.

I don't know if your situation would be considered an inconsistent enforcement of the rules or not. As you posted, the Association accepted what they were told and therefore had no reason to check. Then someone complained. The Association only checked because someone complained about you. If you complained about someone and the Association did not check then you might have some documentation of selective enforcement.

Hope this helps,

Tim
BruceS6 (Florida)
Posts: 10
Posted:
The bylaws never defined what constitutes bona fide owners except by the practice
of accepting what the Park office provides as a list. The lease we signed states
my name as owner along with my wife.

Is it discrimination to check only those who have been challeged. If I challenge all 220
certificates, and they do not check their ownership, what thenN We have a very important
meeting coming up the first week of January.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,047
Posted:
Fred,

If both of your names are on the deed, then both of you are co-owners.

As posted earlier, the owner is the individual who can claim the property to the exclusion of all other persons. This is commonly determined by the name listed on the title and filed with the County or State.

I don't think that taking the word of someone who says they are the owner and then verifying the information if someone questions that word would be considered discrimination. Typically, there is something in the challenge that has the sound of credibility.

I agree that if there are issues that are being challenged, then the Association should verify everything associated with the issue. If this requires verifying the deed of record for all owners, so be it. Since most Boards are unpaid volunteers, perhaps you would be willing to offer your time to go to the courthouse and search property records.

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,047
Posted:
Oops,

I have no idea where the name Fred came from.

Maybe I need to clean my glasses.

I intended to say Bruce.
BruceS6 (Florida)
Posts: 10
Posted:
My point is that, according to a 20 year resident and former president, they have never checked to see who
is on the titles. never.Right now we know of 2 people who died and their kids are making the payments
and use his vote at the meetings.

There are two recent directors who took there name off the titles and put the deeds in the childrens names. We are going to have an election in January and they are only using the list from the Park office to give ballots. The dead people send their ballot in as they supposedly are at their main resident and didnt come down yet.

The current President knows this and wont do anything about it. Feels it is an invasion of their privacy.
Yet they required me to present a marriage certificate and went to title bureau to check.

By the way, they have a hard time getting people with titles to run for office so if their is a vacancy, they fill it with anyone who wants the position. The bylaws says officers/directors have to live in the park 8 months out of year. Half the people here cannot run for office.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,047
Posted:
Bruce,

I do see your point. I really do.
My Association has never checked either and we are over 30 years in existence. I know for a fact that we have one member who has dementia and her son exercises her vote and making the payments. Why does the Association allow this to happen, because we are of the understanding that he is acting as her guardian. If anyone ever challenged the vote, there may or may not be issues do deal with. However, the Board accepted his word and did not ask for verification.

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Posted By BruceS6 on 12/22/2011 8:00 PM

Right now we know of 2 people who died and their kids are making the payments and use his vote at the meetings.

It's possible that the deed passed on to the kids upon death or that they are acting as the executor of the estate.

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Posted By BruceS6 on 12/22/2011 8:00 PM

There are two recent directors who took there name off the titles and put the deeds in the childrens names. We are going to have an election in January and they are only using the list from the Park office to give ballots.

I know that their are several ways to place someone's name onto a deed. Based on my experience with tax implications, I suspect that they didn't just give them the house while they are still alive (although they might have)

Based on what you posted, as a member, you have a right to challenge their ability to serve on the Board. If the board doesn't want to entertain the challenge, then you might need to contact an attorney and go through the courts for the challenge to be heard.

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Posted By BruceS6 on 12/22/2011 8:00 PM

The current President knows this and wont do anything about it. Feels it is an invasion of their privacy.

They don't have to invade privacy. They just have to check with the local courthouse. If you are going to challenge the election, you might want to check with the courthouse and have a copy of the deed in hand when you make the challenge.

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Posted By BruceS6 on 12/22/2011 8:00 PM

Yet they required me to present a marriage certificate and went to title bureau to check.

Yep, two different standards for two different people can certainly be frustrating and should not happen. However, human nature is human nature and I suspect this will always happen.

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Posted By BruceS6 on 12/22/2011 8:00 PM

By the way, they have a hard time getting people with titles to run for office so if their is a vacancy, they fill it with anyone who wants the position. The bylaws says officers/directors have to live in the park 8 months out of year. Half the people here cannot run for office.

Sounds like you might need to change the governing documents so there are enough candidates. Even if people are appointed to vacancies by the Board the individuals must meet any requirements within the governing documents.

Perhaps you could submit your name to serve on the board and solicit proxies to make sure you have enough votes to be elected. This way, you can make positive changes from within, avoiding the time, energy and expense of court costs.

Again, I do understand the point you are making. I also agree that it's wrong. However the only way to change it is to either become involved with the running of the Association or to consult an attorney and challenge the process hoping those who do volunteer to serve will make the necessary changes.

Personally, I chose to get involved.

Tim

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