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RichardD12 (West Virginia)
Posts: 1
Posted:
First background. We're a small West Virginia HOA with 5 acre lots, half developed, with low annual dues and little expenses. I'm a new member and now president.

We have some land owners (not developed) who are years behind in their dues, we have put a lien on the property, but we're interested in being more proactive in getting the money owed. We want to do something like go to a collection agency to at least get a part of the money owed, but don't want to spend any money in pursuing this if not a viable and legal option.

Any assistance/advice would really be appreciated.
MikeS1
Posts: 521
Posted:
We're also considering this since the collection agency report to the credit bureau. I'm not real sure that the 3 credite bureaus actually pick up on the liens. Of course if they are upside on loans or owe the feds, state or county, we're 4th in line after everyone else; so sometimes, we don't collect anything.
MikeS1
Posts: 521
Posted:
Also, I know in some states, hoas might force a non-judicial foreclosure, but you're still fourth in line. Not worth it.
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
Undeveloped property?

The value won't even be considered until it gets sold.

Don't waste your time on empty land. It will cost you more money than what is owed. Are they being maintained? That is the big question.

Just keep your liens current.

You say you are small and there is little common ares and/or expenses.

Work with what you have.

LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
I second Susan's advice.

My POA covers about 100 square miles in north-central Arizona. We have about 1600 lots all 36 acres or larger. The lots were sold without improvements, except for the dirt roads. Since sales began in 1996, only about 10% of the lots are occupied by full-time residents and another 10% have some sort of accommodations for part time living. The rest are undeveloped.

Several years ago "for sale" signs began popping up everywhere on the unimproved lots. The signs are still there but no lots have been sold. Undeveloped lots, especially those in out-of-the-way locations have almost no value in today's market. As many as 25% of our owners are delinquent on their assessments, which average only $130 per year.

Our current board, none of whom has any business management experience, decided to embark upon a Mission From God and collect every last cent that was owed. I have yet to see the actual figures but my estimate is that the total that was owed was about $25,000. Our board hired the worst law firm in the state to seek money judgments and to foreclose where possible. They filed sixty lawsuits, charged us over $140,000 (brining our loss to $165,000), and collected less than $20,000 from the delinquent owners. We did foreclose upon one parcel that has a cabin on it and someday may be able to sell it for more than it cost us, but there were no bidders for it when the sheriff auctioned it for the court.

No business collects 100% of its debts. HOA BOD's should memorize that. Do not spend your hard cold cash chasing money that is owed and may never be collected.

Unimproved lots are not consuming your HOA's resources. File the liens and wait for a sale of the property.

Even if you were to get title to one of those unimproved lots, you would face the same problems trying to sell it that the present owner faces. Most homeowners today cannot hang on to their current home; there is little market for second home sites. The banks usually do not lend money for unimproved land, so you would have to find a cash buyer. Real estate agents are not going to spend much effort marketing worthless property; their commission would be seven percent of zero. Your HOA will be responsible for paying taxes on the lot and you will still not collect an assessment on it.

My suggestion to you is to locate the owners of those delinquent lots and -- gasp -- talk to them. Don't send letters, threatening or otherwise because they are already getting a ton of demands that all end up the trash unopened. If possible, go talk to them in person. Find out why they have not paid and see what you can do to get them back on track.
RichardW6 (Maine)
Posts: 13
Posted:
I absolutely concur with hiring a collection agency, provided their fees are based on a contingency arrangement. Contingency means they collect NOTHING from the HOA unless the delinquent member pays. The collection agency will get about 35% of the dues owed, but at least the HOA is getting the other 65%. And in some states like Kansas, if a lawsuit is eventually filed in court by the collection agency, the court also allows the HOA to charge the delinquent member an additional pre-determined amount for "attorney fees", which can more than make up for the portion of dues going to the collection agency. And you keep ALL the attorney fees.

We successfully did this in a previous HOA I belonged to. The delinquent members were 3 years behind in their dues ($275 per year for a total of $825). We turned the accounts over to a collection agency that charged its fees based on a contingency, which was 33% of the original amount owed (dues) and actually paid. When the agency collected the dues, they received $272 out of the original $825, leaving the HOA with $603 in their pocket. But in most cases a lawsuit was also filed, so the HOA was permitted to tack on an additional $250 for attorney fees (pre-determined by the court). So from the $825 that was originally owed, the HOA ended up pocketing $853 ($603 + $250)! And that doesn't include any accumulated interest on the delinquent amount. All perfectly legal in Kansas, and in our case the delinquent members paid the overall total owed (dues and attorney fees) just to get the lawsuit dropped, so we never had to prosecute the lawsuit in court.

Obviously, this scenario only works if: 1) the collection agency operates on a contingency basis; 2) the delinquent member actually pays; 3) the collection process eventually involves a lawsuit; and 4) the state permits you to add attorney fees to the amount being collected. Anything less and you won't collect as much, but I agree that a 65% of something is worth more than 100% of nothing. In our case it was 104% of something!

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