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RaymondS1 (Florida)
Posts: 4
Posted:
Under Florida Statue 720.303(6)(b) where speaks on reserve accounts I want to understand that if the HOA operating budget includes a line item "Reserve Transfer" and the budget each year was funding that reserve transfer does that mean that there is a Reserve Account even if there is no line item schedule?
When the association was taken over from the developer the developer was also including in the budget for Reserves for Replacement of Capital Expenditures. For a period of of 9 years the BOD thru its management company provided to the membership a copy of the budget and the Reserve Schedule. From 2009 to current that procedure was not done, would that be acceptable or would it be a violation of the BOD & the Treasurer Fiduciary Responsibly.
Further from the way I read the statue the only ones that can modify and or transfer money from the reserves is by having an approval from the voting interest of the membership of the association, is that correct?
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,047
Posted:
Ray,

Typically, not reporting the status of something is not a violation of fiduciary responsibility. It's just a lack of reporting.

My Association used to have one large pot for the Reserves called a savings account. Transfers into and out of Savings were shown to the membership. This might be what your Association is doing and just not identifying the Savings account as the Reserves.

I would suggest that you ask your Board for an accounting of the Reserves between specific dates or to explain to you where you can see the reserves on the financial statements provided to the membership.

Hope this helps,

Tim
DavidW5 (North Carolina)
Posts: 565
Posted:
Raymond,

I am not in Fla. so I can't speak to the specifics of those statutes.

If the operating budget has shown a line for "transfer to reserves" and the year end financial statements show that the expense for that line item is equal to the budget, then indeed, there is a reserve account that is receiving those transfers.

You mentioned a reserve schedule. I assume you are referring to a list of items from the most recent reserve study that are projected to be replaced in the budget year. While the estimated replacement costs of such items figure into the calculation of how much needs to be transferred to the reserves each year, those details are not (in my experience) typically listed in the operating budget.

One question to ask is: where are the transferred reserve funds invested? Typically, the bulk of the reserve funds will not be needed for at least a few, and often, many years. Therefore, they should be invested to earn some interest to offset inflation in the eventual replacement costs. CIA best practices say that access to reserve accounts should only be possible with two board member signatures. If board members have signature authority on the reserve account, they should be able to provide you with the details.
DavidW5 (North Carolina)
Posts: 565
Posted:
Edit - in my answer above that should be "CAI" not CIA. Sorry
RaymondS1 (Florida)
Posts: 4
Posted:
David, yes you are correct the schedule I'm referring to is exactly as you described.

The funds are invested and are earning interest.

I guess what I need to know is that under the interpretation of the Florida Law buy the fact that the funds are moving from the operating budget earmark Reserve Transfer and into an interest bearing account is considered a Reserve Account as defined under Florida law.?

I believe that some of the BOD and Officers believe that can use these funds without approval from the membership.
DavidW5 (North Carolina)
Posts: 565
Posted:
Raymond,

If you have access to a balance sheet, then there should be an entry for "replacement reserves" or something similar. If there is, then the Fla. statutes or your governing documents should determine who has access to it, and what it can be used for.
PetunkaM (Florida)
Posts: 1,009
Posted:
'When the association was taken over from the developer the developer was also including in the budget for Reserves for Replacement of Capital Expenditures. For a period of of 9 years the BOD thru its management company provided to the membership a copy of the budget and the Reserve Schedule. From 2009 to current that procedure was not done, would that be acceptable or would it be a violation of the BOD & the Treasurer Fiduciary Responsibly. '

Raymond,

This is the most confusing law there is. Even the attorneys differ in their opinions. But yes, you are basically right. You must maintain 'fully' funded reservers unless the membership votes against it.

‘Further from the way I read the statue the only ones that can modify and or transfer money from the reserves is by having an approval from the voting interest of the membership of the association, is that correct?’

Transfer money from reserves to where? To the operating fund? Not sure what you mean.
RaymondS1 (Florida)
Posts: 4
Posted:
That's the way I read it and yes I'm talking about moving monies from the reserve account into the operating account.
I think the people writing the laws are attorneys and purposly make it confusng so that they can generate fees!
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,047
Posted:
Raymond,

Any monies received or spent through our operating account.

If we are going to spend x dollars on an item the reserves are to pay for, the money is transferred from the reserves into the operating account and spent on the specific item.

Our annual budget will actually show transfers between the accounts (all based on the reserve study).

Tim
RaymondS1 (Florida)
Posts: 4
Posted:
Thanks, yes monies came into the operating account via the Reserve Account and was spent as I understand it for the item that were earmarked in the unapproved schedule.
PetunkaM (Florida)
Posts: 1,009
Posted:
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Posted By RaymondS1 on 12/09/2011 11:02 AM
Thanks, yes monies came into the operating account via the Reserve Account and was spent as I understand it for the item that were earmarked in the unapproved schedule.

Well, you need to do some kind of financial review. I can’t tell whether this transfer appropriate or not. As a rule, you can NOT transfer money from reserves to operating fund(s). Truly, that is a no, no.

SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 3,699
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As a rule, you can NOT transfer money from reserves to operating fund(s). Truly, that is a no, no.


Well that's not entirely true. Many times reserves are kept in a savings account or CD's. If its not transferred into some type of checking account like the reserves, it would be impossible to issue a check payment for a reserve expense.
SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 3,699
Posted:
I meant to say checking account like the "operating account"
DavidW5 (North Carolina)
Posts: 565
Posted:
Our reserves are all invested in interest bearing CD's. The only checking account we have is the operating account. When an invoice is received for the costs of a replacement covered by the reserves, a check is written for the payment from the operating account. Then an accounting entry is made to debit the reserve account and credit the operating account. In most cases no cash actually moves between the accounts. The operating account has enough of a "pad" in it to cover the cash outlay. We would not make an early withdrawal from a CD simply to move the cash to the operating account. This procedure has been reviewed and accepted by our auditor.
PetunkaM (Florida)
Posts: 1,009
Posted:
Well that's not entirely true. Many times reserves are kept in a savings account or CD's. If its not transferred into some type of checking account like the reserves, it would be impossible to issue a check payment for a reserve expense. (Steve)
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Steve,
Florida law (coupled with By-laws) is very specific about co-mingling money. The type of accounts, whether CDs or Money Market etc. have nothing to do with it.
DavidW5 (North Carolina)
Posts: 565
Posted:
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Posted By PetunkaM on 12/10/2011 7:16 PM
Well that's not entirely true. Many times reserves are kept in a savings account or CD's. If its not transferred into some type of checking account like the reserves, it would be impossible to issue a check payment for a reserve expense. (Steve)
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Steve,
Florida law (coupled with By-laws) is very specific about co-mingling money. The type of accounts, whether CDs or Money Market etc. have nothing to do with it.

Petunka,

As long as the operating and reserve accounts are kept separate from an accounting (balance sheet) perspective, the fact that funds are transferred from a particular investment account to the operating account so that a check can be issued, is not, in fact, a co-mingling of funds. Reimbursement of the operating account from reserves, to cover a reserve expense paid via a check from the operating account is, according to our auditor, a perfectly legitimate transaction. Or course, I am not in Florida, so I can't speak to your specifics.
PetunkaM (Florida)
Posts: 1,009
Posted:
David, I may be wrong but I do not think this was the OP concern.

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