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AmandaD3 (Texas)
Posts: 6
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As a Director of the Board (President, if that even matters), is it within my rights to seek a legal opinion from our Association attorney? Example: I have a document I want to submit to the Board for review and approval for future use (Board Member Code of Conduct). Before submitting the document to the Board, I send it to the Association attorney for review to make sure the document doesn't have any legal issues I am not aware of. Attorney returns document with minor corrections. Have I circumvented proper procedure by not asking the Board's approval before seeking our attorney's advice?

Similarly, if a Director asks the Management company to verify a procedure, the Management company responds, the Director decides not to take the information at face value and asks the basis for it, the Management company says the info was provided by the Association attorney, and the Director then demands a direct response from the attorney... Is this Director also circumventing proper procedure by not asking the Board's approval before seeking our attorney's advice?

Is it inappropriate for individual Board members to ask for guidance from the Association attorney on Board related matters?

Thanks for any insight or clarification on this issue.
FredS7 (Arizona)
Posts: 927
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Generally every request to an attorney results in a bill. And this should be authorized in advance since it is an expenditure. The board would authorize someone (or maybe a subcommittee) to contact the lawyer with a specific question.

I'm not sure why the management company would request anything from the association attorney. The attorney works for the board, not the management company.
AmandaD3 (Texas)
Posts: 6
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Posted By FredS7 on 11/22/2011 10:29 AM
Generally every request to an attorney results in a bill. And this should be authorized in advance since it is an expenditure. The board would authorize someone (or maybe a subcommittee) to contact the lawyer with a specific question.

I understand what you're saying. Now, I have an additional question that complicates matters. What if a problem arises with 1 board member? A five person Board has a vacancy due to a recent resignation, leaving a general 2/2 split on most decisions based on ongoing differences between members. Action is considered to be taken against a Board member due to malfeasance. Any motion for attorney advice on this issue put before the Board would be shot down by problem Board member and the Board member that generally votes in accordance with that Director. What recourse is left for the Board member(s) that want to resolve a difficult situation?

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Posted By FredS7 on 11/22/2011 10:29 AM

I'm not sure why the management company would request anything from the association attorney. The attorney works for the board, not the management company.

Our contract with the management company states that they are the point of contact for Association contractors. It has been general practice for this and past boards that most attorney contact is handled by the management company and information is passed on to the Board at monthly meetings.
CarolR11 (Colorado)
Posts: 2,563
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I serve on our board and our contract with our management company (which was approved by the board, of course) specifies that only one director may contact the HOA attorney. Each year, the board selects the president as that contact point. Questions to the attorney go via our onsite manager. If a director has a question, it goes to the president & P.M.

There's nothing in our governing documents about this topic, but there might be in yours, Amanda.

I like this approach because sometimes the PM or the MC knows the answer thus saving us the attorney's hourly fees. All correspondence with the attorney is forwarded to all directors.

You can imagine the chaos & expense if each director (we have 7) had the authority to ask the attorney questions!
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
Amanda -
1) Fill that vacancy ASAP.
2) Lawyers are hesitant to get involved with "internal" board issues. The voting is what it is. (see number 1 to solve this)
3) Board members can be asked to resign or voted off the board using the procedures outlined in your own bylaws.

MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
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I don't see the need to send anything to the lawyer before you send it to the board. If there is going to be a legal issue, then that will be something the board should look into after the approve the idea. It's kind of a waste of time and effort to have a lawyer review documents before the issue has been discussed amongst the board members. There's that time that the Board needs to discuss and refine the idea/issue before seeking legal advice.

It's best to have an assigned board member or officer (President) that interacts with the HOA attorney. That saves cost and confusion. I think you should submit things to the board to review and then if they want to enact it, then contact legal.

Former HOA President
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,047
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Posted By AmandaD3 on 11/22/2011 10:13 AM
Have I circumvented proper procedure by not asking the Board's approval before seeking our attorney's advice?

Amanda,

Your Board would establish the procedures. My Association doesn't send anything to the attorney before the entire Board has looked at it, gone over it and approves the expenditure for the legal opinion. Heck, we even do this with the question that we send to the attorney (so it's worded properly). This is for the following reasons:

1) There is a lot of talent on the Board and things can get caught and corrected at that level.
2) If the Board doesn't like a proposal, why waste the money seeking a legal opinion.
3) Last time we asked the lawyer a simple question it cost us $500 (lawyers are expensive)

That said, our board sets our procedure and your board sets your procedure.

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Posted By AmandaD3 on 11/22/2011 10:13 AM

Similarly, if a Director asks the Management company to verify a procedure, the Management company responds, the Director decides not to take the information at face value and asks the basis for it, the Management company says the info was provided by the Association attorney, and the Director then demands a direct response from the attorney... Is this Director also circumventing proper procedure by not asking the Board's approval before seeking our attorney's advice?

Again, procedure issues are decided at a board level.

The Management company should be able to provide you with a written response the attorney sent them.

Personally, I'd be upset that the Management Company spent Association Money seeking a legal opinion vs. telling the Board that they should seek a legal opinion. This is because the way a question is asked is just as important as what the question is.

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Posted By AmandaD3 on 11/22/2011 10:13 AM
Thanks for any insight or clarification on this issue.

Personal opinion: Every Board member needs to understand that the Attorney works for the Association and not an individual board member. The Board makes the decisions for the Association, not an individual Director. Therefore, any decision that will cost the Association money should be made by the entire Board.

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Posted By AmandaD3 on 11/22/2011 10:13 AM
What if a problem arises with 1 board member? A five person Board has a vacancy due to a recent resignation, leaving a general 2/2 split on most decisions based on ongoing differences between members. Action is considered to be taken against a Board member due to malfeasance. Any motion for attorney advice on this issue put before the Board would be shot down by problem Board member and the Board member that generally votes in accordance with that Director. What recourse is left for the Board member(s) that want to resolve a difficult situation?

Appoint someone to the empty seat. If the issue is tied, make a proposal to bring it to the membership for a vote. If that fails, circulate a petition amongst the members to call a special meeting to elect a person for the empty seat or recall members of the board.

I know it can be frustrating at times. There have been decisions made by Boards that I disagreed with and voted against. However, that's the way it works: 1 vote per Director. Majority rules.

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Posted By AmandaD3 on 11/22/2011 10:13 AM

Our contract with the management company states that they are the point of contact for Association contractors.

Depends on how you look at it. I don't see an attorney as a contractor. However, I can see how others might. You might want to amend that part of the contract and specify that the MC is not to contact the Attorney without Board approval.

If you are willing to share what the question was that you wanted to contact the attorney on, we might be able to assist with that specific question.

Tim

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