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SherrieL (Colorado)
Posts: 22
Posted:
Our board recently found out that our FHA/VA loan certification expired in July 2011. We are still in the grace period, but it will now cost us over $2,000 dollars more and alot of extra paperwork to get re-certified. (if we can) A neighboring Condo complex HOA board just found out that their certification had expired a year ago. Who's responsibility is it to make sure we are certified or at least notify the board as to when it is due to expire? Our management company says it is the boards responsibility and not theirs. How would we have known where and when to check? We are told that it is up to the board to put the paper work together and submit to ??? to get recertified.

What are other boards doing?
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
I would also say it is the board's responsibility to file the paperwork. How did you find out this information in the first place? Seems you have some of your answers but just not putting them together...I would find out where the loan originated from and get in touch with that resource. If they are no longer available, call a mortgage company and ask them.

It's important to have this certification in the long run for your HOA. That is because it allows MORE buyers to purchase the homes in the HOA. Otherwise, it's harder for people to qualify for loans to buy in your HOA. This is a little known secret on how this certification truly does effect home values/sellability. There is a "HUD form" that is filled out that the FHA/VA uses to gauge the "health" of the HOA. That form has about 25 questions such as "Are you fee simple/How many units behind in dues/Number of rental property versus owner occupied". It is NOT what is stated in your CC&R's limiting the rental property in your HOA. It's how this form is filled out representing that number.

It's very complicated. However, get the board to address the issue soon. That way your HOA won't suffer from having too many unsold properties.

Former HOA President
FredB4 (Ohio)
Posts: 375
Posted:
Sherrie,
We recently had our project recertified after the certification ran out. Before I respond in too much detail ... Are you are a COA (condos) or HOA (homes)? Do you allow rentals ? Do you have a reserve plan ? Are you fininacilly secure with adequate reserves to cover present and future capital expenses ? Those things make a difference.
What I can say at the moment is that the FHA recently required ALL projects to be recertified from scratch, so it isn't especially important in this instance that yours expired since the process is basically the same.
It ultimately is the boards responsibility to be sure these things are done but a good MC should be aware of the situation and notify the board.
Since the collapse of the housing market and government bailout of many of the fininacial entities, the FHA now insures about 50% of the mortgages in the US and it is generally acknowledged that it will play a much bigger role in the future. Also many lending institutions and mortgage insurance companies now follow the FHA guidelines.
However, depending on your situation the pro's and con's can vary. I'll say upfront that there is no good solution. Definitely look around if you decide to have it done since not everyone charges the same and there are many variables. I'm surprised that your MC hasn't already been involved with going through this process with other projects.
JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
Posted:
Hi SherrieL:

I agree with Fred in that if your HOA has a Management Company they should have been up to date and aware of this situation and should have notified the board. However, the HOA board does have ultimate responsibility to insure all items for the HOA are properly cared for appropriately. After you update your certification the Board needs to note the date needed for the next year so they can be sure to file appropriate paperwork in the future.

If your Management Company did not notify the board, then potentially you need to consider looking for a different company to manage your HOA. It appears to me potentially your management company does not know or cover all aspects of the HOA non-profit corporation business. If they are throwing you under the bus on this issue what will happen in the future regarding other possible more complex items.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,047
Posted:
Janet,

This is a 3 year old thread restarted by a Troll to post spam.
The spam is gone but the thread now looks like it is recent.
JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
Posted:
Grrr ... Duh!!! Like you I usually catch the fact it is an old thread. Guess this time if it was a snake it would have bit me.
FredB4 (Ohio)
Posts: 375
Posted:
Very old thread ! We have had FHA approval for two years and in fact just had our 2 year re-certification accepted. The 2 year re-certification was done by the Association and wasn't all that difficult. I would recommend having someone do the initial certification to be sure you have all the correct documents and paperwork. Ask around - not everyone charges the same to do the certification.

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