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MaryS25 (Nevada)
Posts: 6
Posted:
A board member is complaining about garagee sales. He believes that a garage is "vending" What are the views of other association members? I would really appreciate your input.
PeterD3 (Florida)
Posts: 708
Posted:
Is vending prohibited in your docs. or rules & regs. or possibly city/county codes?

If not then there is no basis to consider it furhter.

If it is, or he is trying to imply it is, ask him to cite the provision and go from there.
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
I wouldn't call it vending, however the signs for a garage sale would probably violate most HOA sign restrictions. It also may violate the home business section if they allow home businesses as long as they don't have significant traffic. But in reality if your CC&R's are like most; if Homeowner A puts up signs and holds a garage sale and the BOD sends them a typical violation letter giving them X number of days to cure the violation before a fine is assessed and they don't hold another one until after a year has passed, you really can't do anything to them. Better IMO to come up with some reasonable rules i.e signs may go up the day of the sale and must be removed by the day after. We (condos) used to have an annual community wide garage sale but stopped a few years ago due to lack of interest from the homeowners.

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JeffR7 (California)
Posts: 251
Posted:
A garage sale wouldn't be vending unless done on a regular basis.

A more important questions why would you want to control it?
MaryS25 (Nevada)
Posts: 6
Posted:
Here is what our CCRs state: "no part of the Properties shall ever be used or caused to be used or allowed or authorized to be used in any way, directly or indirectly, for vending or other nonresidential purposes." This section is where someone is saying that the vending clause would include garage sales. I think vending would be more of a business conducted on a regular time table. Would you give your opinion?
SS9 (Texas)
Posts: 4
Posted:
Check your city ordinances to see if garage sales are regulated. Some allow only x number a year per household. What is the actual complaint? - traffic? Too often by one homeowner?
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
I don't believe a HOA should have a garage/yard sale to raise funds for the HOA or for a special project. That may fall under income and be taxable. Check with your account first on that one...

However, for individual homeowners in the HOA to have a group or individual yard/garage sale to raise money for their own personal benefit is okay. As long as it falls under the city/county laws of having such sales. Our county/city does have an ordinace on the number of yard/garage sale a person can have at their home. No yard/garage sales on Sunday.

Yes, there are rules for limiting types of signs but these signs are only TEMPORARY. They should only stay up as long as the sale is going on. If it isn't removed, then the HOA can remove the signs within the propert time frame.

This wouldn't be considered "Vending". Vending would be more along the lines of selling a repeat item at your home like maybe earthworms for fishing...Bootlegging...drug dealing...Something sold for repeat customers. A yard/garage sales is only a 2 day event at best a few times a year. If the owner is doing more than that, then the HOA should evaluate if this is a business violation or something else...

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BruceF1 (Connecticut)
Posts: 2,535
Posted:
MaryS,

Many cities and towns require vendors to have a permit. See if such a permit is required for a person to have a garage sale. If no vendor's permit is required to have a garage sale, then I guess you would have to conclude that having a garage sale is not vending.
MaryS25 (Nevada)
Posts: 6
Posted:
Great input; THANKS!
KellyM3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 2,239
Posted:
Mary,

Your board member should rely on their own homework rather than subjecting you to low-level whining about something that appears to be inconsequential given the other responsibilities your HOA board, no doubt, faces.

One-off yard sales are part of living in neighborhoods. I wouldn't go permit chasing over this, regardless of vending rules.

I think too many HOA board directors fancy themselves as power brokers rather than facilitators.
MikeS1
Posts: 521
Posted:
Parking and Traffic become problematic whenever individuals have yard sales (at least in our townhome area where there is no parking and all the visitors are parking in the fire lanes). Before the board enacted a new rule that allows yard sales in only one area where there is ample parking, it was terrible. One morning my entire street was lined with cars, every driveway was blocked in and the visitors were cranky about moving their cars in order to let people out of their own driveways. In order to wet (satisfy) the communities need for yard sales, the HOA now sponsors one big one in the spring and one in the fall. That seems to work fine. Seeing yard sale signs every weekend around the neighborhood isn't what I'd like to see. Good luck.
BradP (Kansas)
Posts: 2,640
Posted:
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Posted By MikeS1 on 10/31/2011 10:06 AM
Parking and Traffic become problematic whenever individuals have yard sales (at least in our townhome area where there is no parking and all the visitors are parking in the fire lanes). Before the board enacted a new rule that allows yard sales in only one area where there is ample parking, it was terrible. One morning my entire street was lined with cars, every driveway was blocked in and the visitors were cranky about moving their cars in order to let people out of their own driveways. In order to wet (satisfy) the communities need for yard sales, the HOA now sponsors one big one in the spring and one in the fall. That seems to work fine. Seeing yard sale signs every weekend around the neighborhood isn't what I'd like to see. Good luck.

I have kind of waited to respond to this as I think getting down to the point where you bar garage sales is just petty and over the top. But Mike does bring up a valid point, if garage sales do cause issues in your neighborhood designating a couple weekends a year, or one weekend a month might be a good compromise. At any rate it is better to do them in bulk anyway, drives more traffic and gets more sales and it the pain of increased traffic in the neighborhood is decreased to a bare minimum.
MikeS1
Posts: 521
Posted:
Brad - I know that you probably were not referring to my community when you referenced barring yard sales. We don't bar them, we just ask that the homeowners request the use of the Pool house/parking lot and register in advance so that there is plenty of parking and there are no cleanup issues. Parking in our townhome development is awful and if 10-12 cars were all parked in the fire lanes, our fire marshall (who lives in the community) would go nuts. Usually most resident enjoy the fact that the HOA sponsors two large sales per year to coincide with a very large neighborhood yard sale. Like you said - they all feed on each other. Regards.
BradP (Kansas)
Posts: 2,640
Posted:
Mike

quite the contrary...i think what you have done is great...I realize there are associations where it isn't as cut and dried to have a garage sale with available parking. Having options available for owners is a great compromise.

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