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SteveB14 (Maryland)
Posts: 10
Posted:
I am a Board member of a small community (less than 60 homes) in Maryland that has a familiar problem – a ‘boilerplate’ Covenants and Restrictions with no ability to fine, and a perennial offender - yearly being sent notices to remove his boat and trailer. However, this year, he has totally ignored our notices.

I would like to know how to proceed legally. Specifically, what sort of legal means or law do CCRs have in which we force him to move his boat, or have it towed (I assume that the CCRs in all states must be legally binding)? If so, and we win the case and/or injunction, is the homeowner obligated to pay anything beyond court costs, or can we attempt to legally sue to have him pay for our legal fees? Do we even need a lawyer if the violation is so obvious?

As you can probably guess, we wish to avoid lawyer’s fees if possible. We have already raised our HOA fees the past couple of years, and we do not wish to do so this next year.

And yes, we have attempted to change the C&R to include fines, but did not have enough votes to pass it.
LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
Somewhere in the boilerplate in your CC&R's there should be a provision that allows the association to make and enforce rules and levy fines. Or words to that effect.

Assuming that the CC&R's give the association that power, the BOD can adopt bylaws that include the rules and penalties. Depending on a lot of variables, you may have to submit those bylaws to the members for approval otherwise they become effective upon BOD approval.

If the HOA already has the power to make and enforce rules then there is no reason to amend the CC&R's to stop a guy from parking his boat in his driveway. If the HOA does not have the authority to make and enforce rules then forget about the damn boat and seek an amendment to give the HOA enforcement power.
JeanneK3 (Maryland)
Posts: 562
Posted:
Steve:
Your documents probably have a section that says the association can correct violations and bill the homeowner for the coat. Start sending letters quoting that section and tell him you'll have his boat and trailer towed. I'm not recommending actually doing this without the advice of an attorney but the threat may be enough.
Jeanne
JeanneK3 (Maryland)
Posts: 562
Posted:
Sorry, meant "cost"
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
A HOA should never sue an individual homeowner. It never really pays off. The HOA may win a judgement in court but that doesn't equal money paid. An owner can simply sell their property and walk away without paying the judgement for years or ever. That's because board's change every year and open judgements get forgotten about after about the 3rd board change. The judgement has to be renewed at certain time frames to keep it active to pursue.

What a HOA can do instead is send out a letter for the violation if it is in the CC&R's. The letter should give a time frame action and the violation it violates in the CC&R's. If the owner doesn't take action, the the HOA will take the action and make the owner pay for the costs of removal. That would include legal fees if necessary. If the owner doesn't pay, then a LIEN can be placed for the costs. A lien is also a JUDGEMENT similar to what a lawsuit would result in but it doesn't allow the owner to sell their property until it is paid off. This pretty much guarantees payment eventually...

Now the HOA can't foreclose on fines. They can ONLY foreclose for unpaid assessements including special ones. Foreclosures are a whole different subject but wanted to mention that that is another legal avenue allowed to be pursued by a HOA.

Your best bet is just to send out a letter detailing the violation, where it violates in the rules, how much the HOA will charge someone else to remove it (50 dollars to someone with a truck will do), and that if they don't pay then a lien may be placed upon them. That should be enough to stir up the anger pot...Good luck!

Former HOA President
BruceF1 (Connecticut)
Posts: 2,535
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By MelissaP1 on 08/05/2011 9:23 AM
Now the HOA can't foreclose on fines. They can ONLY foreclose for unpaid assessements including special ones.

Melissa,

Why do you believe this to be true? I don't believe this is true everywhere, and it certainly is not true in Connecticut. The CT CIOA specifically states (Section 47-258 (a) & (j) that ANY sum due an HOA (including fines) can be "foreclosed in like manner as a mortgage on real property."
PetunkaM (Florida)
Posts: 1,009
Posted:
Steve,

Not sure about your covenants but may be you can give the owner a notice you will consider towing the boat away at his expense. On the other hand, towing a vehicle from someone’s private property (assuming it is) may be a little problematic because MD law may prohibit it? So, be cautious here.

Yes, CRRs are legally binding but obviously not to him. In Florida, any disputes between an association and the member can be resolved by a ‘presuit mediation proceeding’ which requires filing a petition for arbitration (cost is about $200). Perhaps you could check into something like that?

JohnO6 (Georgia)
Posts: 424
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By MelissaP1 on 08/05/2011 9:23 AM
A HOA should never sue an individual homeowner. It never really pays off. The HOA may win a judgement in court but that doesn't equal money paid. An owner can simply sell their property and walk away without paying the judgement for years or ever. That's because board's change every year and open judgements get forgotten about after about the 3rd board change. The judgement has to be renewed at certain time frames to keep it active to pursue.

What a HOA can do instead is send out a letter for the violation if it is in the CC&R's. The letter should give a time frame action and the violation it violates in the CC&R's. If the owner doesn't take action, the the HOA will take the action and make the owner pay for the costs of removal. That would include legal fees if necessary. If the owner doesn't pay, then a LIEN can be placed for the costs. A lien is also a JUDGEMENT similar to what a lawsuit would result in but it doesn't allow the owner to sell their property until it is paid off. This pretty much guarantees payment eventually...

Now the HOA can't foreclose on fines. They can ONLY foreclose for unpaid assessements including special ones. Foreclosures are a whole different subject but wanted to mention that that is another legal avenue allowed to be pursued by a HOA.

Your best bet is just to send out a letter detailing the violation, where it violates in the rules, how much the HOA will charge someone else to remove it (50 dollars to someone with a truck will do), and that if they don't pay then a lien may be placed upon them. That should be enough to stir up the anger pot...Good luck!

Melissa -

I have to admit .. .. you REALLY frustrate me at times. It's fairly common for you to generalize your particular experience to that of the entire discussion board without bothering to consider differing covenants, differing laws, etc.

In point of fact, HOAs CAN foreclose on fines IF the CCRs designate that fines are assessments against the lot and the owner. It's also simply not true that it "NEVER" makes sense for an HOA to sue an owner. That simply isn't true.

I apologize for my obvious frustration in this post, but I've called you out on this before .. .. .. and you keep doing it.

Please do not use the relatively narrow scope of your experience to provide broad, expansive statements that cannot be defended in all situations.

Sorry for the rant - but I'm not sure how else to get your attention.
BruceF1 (Connecticut)
Posts: 2,535
Posted:
One danger of sweeping generalizations and blanket statements of "fact" based solely on one's own experience is that, when found to be untrue in a particular situation, they tend to damage the credibility of the person making the statement.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Considering I am NOT a lawyer nor do I get paid to practice law, posting statutes and laws I found on the internet is outside my scope of expertise. So I refuse to post anything in those regards as I did not go to school for 8 or more years to get a law degree which would allow me to post law references. My knowledge is in general layman's terms with the ability to translate the intent of the law. Which I did take legal courses in that regards to be able to do.

My advice in NOT suing is very sound in reality. The reality is that you only get a JUDGEMENT not real money. You still have to pursue that judgement to collect it. That entails garnishing of wages or taking of an item to sell for the price of the money owed. Example: The HOA takes a car for the money owed in the Judgement. The car is sold at 10K. The person only owes 5K. That extra 5K doesn't go to the HOA. It goes back to the owner of the vehicle. The one the judgement was against. The HOA can't profit from such transactions. If you don't have that person's social security number then you can pretty much forget pursuing the garnished wages...Plus if you don't know where they work...

Here's another point. Judgements are only good for a few years. Up to 7 years in our area. Which means at 7 years of non-payment of the judgement, it has to be renewed. Which can go up to 15 years. However, don't HOA's change BOD every year? So who is going to remember 7 years from now whatever happened to the judgement the HOA sued for? Heck, who can remember who's got a lien open or not in most HOA's?

So my dear you may hate my advice and frustrate you so...However, I've got my feet firmly planted in reality on what happens in the real world. It's not a fantasy world where consulting lawyers for every rabit hole is the answer and the law is going to save me or anyone else...It's world as I and my neighbors make it when you live in a HOA....

Former HOA President
JonD1
Posts: 2,350
Posted:
John06

You tried................

Seems not to have worked.

Rathering than considering your opinion she decided to defend her actions.

Some people are just difficult or perhaps impossible to get through to.

IMO this is NOT a forum for legal advice. Posters should not seek legal advice nor should those responding offer it.

SteveB14 (Maryland)
Posts: 10
Posted:
This is more the tack I am looking at. Most importantly, if we have sent multiple notices (including registered), may we then just arbitrarily have the boat towed? Or do we need permission in the form of some sort of court order? This is the crux of the question I am asking.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,046
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By SteveB14 on 08/07/2011 6:58 AM
This is more the tack I am looking at. Most importantly, if we have sent multiple notices (including registered), may we then just arbitrarily have the boat towed? Or do we need permission in the form of some sort of court order? This is the crux of the question I am asking.

Steve,

Towing any vehicle (or a boat on a trailer) requires an Association to comply with local towing laws. This typically requires specific notices and/or signage. If the vehicle is on the members personal property (driveway, backyard, etc.) you might have additional problems as you could be in violation of trespassing laws if you enter his property.

Typically, fining is the preferred method of enforcement unless there is a safety issue. Typically, prior to fining a hearing is held as this protects the individuals due process rights.

Have you held a hearing on the issue (sending a hearing notice to the owner)?

If not, you should do this first.

Tim

SteveB14 (Maryland)
Posts: 10
Posted:
Then, that boils down to not having a fining article in our bylaws. The only mention in our CCR is stated on the first page, as follows: WHEREAS, Declarant has caused or will cause a non-profit membership corporation known or to be known as --------- Association, Inc. (the "Association") to be formed in order to perform certain functions on behalf of the owners of Lots within the Property, including, but not limited to, 'the enforcement of the covenants, conditions, and restrictions herein set forth' (quotes mine), and for management of the common areas....etc, etc.

So back to square one - what type of enforcement is implied here? Fines? Certainly not sending out violation notices. That is not enforcement. What I think I may be asking is, can the BOD take this passage as permission to fine,without a full association vote or quorum?
LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
With all due respect, Steve, why is this guy with a boat such a thorn in your side? Is he really worth all the agonizing? If it really and truly is a problem for all the other members of your association then spend some of their money on a consultation with an attorney.

This is why people hate HOA's. A few control freaks want to mind everybody else's business while refusing to seek legal guidance. Man, I sure wish a boat in my neighbor's driveway was my biggest problem!
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,046
Posted:
Steve,

The CC&Rs gives the Association the Authority to enforce the covenants.

The Bylaws and/or a Resolution on enforcement would layout the method of enforcement.

If you don't have a documented methodology of enforcement, your board needs to create one. The policy also needs to protect the members right of due process. IMO the process is:

1. Informal Notice (verbal or written)
2. Formal Notice (written) - sent 15-3o days after informal notice
3. Notice of Hearing (written - sent registered mail or hand delivered) - sent 15-30 days after formal notice (length of time determinate on nature of violation).
4. Hearing before the Committee - right to cross examine witnesses, etc.
5. Results of Hearing sent via registered mail within 3 days of hearing
Results can be fines, forwarding to Board for further action, issue resolved or mitigating circumstances, additional time to correct. Member has right to appeal decision to Board
6. If Appeal or issue forwarded to Board repeat steps 3, 4 & 5
Results from Board can be - fines, forward to legal for action, deem issue resolved or

Tim

EdC5 (Florida)
Posts: 117
Posted:
You might consider what we've started doing with our chronic violators who seem to think the violation letters sent to them don't matter: refer to attorney who sends a CC&R violation letter and if that doesn't work, file with the court for an order of specific performance.

Edward J Cooke, CMCA, LCAM
JamesC (Maryland)
Posts: 282
Posted:
LarryB13:

People who hate HOA's are the very ones who should not have moved into a community governed by one.
If only one "control freak" points out the infraction of a neighbor breaking the rules, it is better then a neighbor who does nothing or lacks the nerve to address the issue.......The community may be comprised of many homeowners, but it is the business of every homeowner to become involved, and they have the right to mind everybody else's business if it is for the good of the community.
The HOA has a responsibility to "enforce" all the established rules/regulations, and if that is the reason people hate HOA's there is nothing stopping them from moving on.

Jim
SteveB14 (Maryland)
Posts: 10
Posted:
Tim,

Thank you very much for your valuable input. Your answers/suggestions are along the lines of what I was hoping to read. Doubly thanks for your 'IMO' of the process, also needed; however, to clarify - you said our Board would have to create the methodology of enforcement - documented, of course. But the Resolution - may the Board be able to do that as well? Or is the Resolution, and the creation of the methodology part of one process? I guess more to the point, I can assume that the Board, through its mandate of enforcement in the Declaration (however vague), may enact a fining system without a actual change or amendment to existing bylaws - as long as every homeowners rights are protected, and our methodology is documented?

Thanks
DanS12 (Kansas)
Posts: 4
Posted:
SteveB14,

Our Declaration of Restrictions (DOR) & By-Laws (BL) also didn't have a specific clause about a fine system, but our BL do have a clause:

“Rules and Regulations. Adopt and publish rules and regulations governing the use of the Common Areas and the personal conduct of the members and their guests thereon, and to establish penalties for the infraction thereof”.

Maybe you have some similar language in your docs. Since taking over from the developer, the various boards have produced detailed processes and procedures that current and future boards can follow when acting upon or conducting the functions of the board. A road map, if you will to allow for consistency as boards change through the years. It also keeps new boards from having to "reinvent the wheel". We held a public meeting to allow residents to comment on the proposed rules/procedures. We made a couple of changes based on resident input, passed the rules and then mailed and posted (website) these new rules and procedures.

After a couple of years of hands on experience running the subdivision, the board, at that time, found it necessary to create a “Resolution – Rules & Enforcement Policy” that included detailed procedures to allow for the levying of fines. This resolution was not just specific to the new fines system, but we chose to draft the resolution to include all guidelines, rules and procedures that are included in the DOR & BL. We then included the new fine policy in this comprehensive document. Again, we held a meeting, the board passed it and notified the residents via mail and posting to website. This document is now included with the DOR & BL in the packet new residents receive when they close on their home.

If you would like to see the actual “Resolution – Rules & Enforcement Policy” document, it is open to public viewing and is located on our neighborhood’s website login page under the “Public Documents” section: http://www.eneighbors.com/getNeighborhoodPublic.do?id=1401

Feel free to contact me with any questions.

Dan
HoaC (Florida)
Posts: 95
Posted:
Without reading your specific ByLaws page for page, most HOAs have a method to create amedments to the bylaws without everyone voting on them. However, it would be best to coomunicate and educate your Association members the need for this clause and this specific action to prevent future developements from occurring.
I think Tim is most on track with his reasoning and logic.
The problem will lie in a grandfather clause. A specific set of wording needs to be in place so you can apply a new CC&R violoation to past issues that are still in existance after passing the new provisions.
A BODs need some lead way in making decisions and acting upon them. However, that being said, there also has to be a mechanism for the association as a whole to undo some of these decisions. What I would suggest in this issue, is have the BODs amend the ByLaws and make the necessary adjustments and then place the association on notice that if there are no objections at the next meeting ( or special meeting) that these amendments will take affect and cite the date of these meetings and effects.
Suggest wording to the effect that these amendments can be revisited in the future for discussions by____ (some method the association members would like, as in a written notice to the BODs for discussion)

Just my thoughts.
SteveB14 (Maryland)
Posts: 10
Posted:
Thanks for that input. I shall be checking out that link for a guildeline.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,046
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By SteveB14 on 08/10/2011 7:55 PM

But the Resolution - may the Board be able to do that as well? Or is the Resolution, and the creation of the methodology part of one process? I guess more to the point, I can assume that the Board, through its mandate of enforcement in the Declaration (however vague), may enact a fining system without a actual change or amendment to existing bylaws - as long as every homeowners rights are protected, and our methodology is documented?

Steve,

You pretty much understand it. A Resolution is the documentation of a board decision or adoption of a policy. The Board would make a resolution which cites the authority to create the policy and then the policy itself.

Obviously, the board cannot adopt rules and regulations, or pass decisions that conflict with or violate provisions and requirements in the bylaws, the declaration, or a higher level of authority.

We always publish the proposed resolution and hold a meeting for community feedback. Based on the feedback, the resolution may or may not be modified prior to adoption by the Board. By allowing feedback, the membership is made aware that this is happening and the Board can see where the problem areas might be. Depending on the specific resolution, you may also want advice from the Associations Attorney. However, that isn't necessary on all Resolutions.

Our Associations first resolution was to define the procedures to make resolutions and establish the "Book of Resolutions".

Here is a brief example of an opening for resolutions:

WHEREAS, Article xxx, Section x of the [document or State law] states that "abc" and

Add as many WHEREAS, as needed.

WHEREAS, The Board of Directors desires to establish xxxxxxx

NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED THAT the following shall be adopted and known as TITLE

Hope this helps,

Tim
BradP (Kansas)
Posts: 2,640
Posted:
We can forclose on fines...also we have the ability to place a judgement lien on a property in our state if we were to win a lawsuit. Good luck selling the house without us getting our money...

I will say this, I would never advocate anyone going onto anyone's property to do anything without a law enforcement officer being right there, that is how folks get shot.

I will also say I do agree with Melissa to a point, suing should be the last step in the conflict resolution stage that is used...
SteveB14 (Maryland)
Posts: 10
Posted:
Dan,

A few months ago I had related an issue of enforcement of violations because of a chronic violator who completely ignored our letters. (http://www.hoatalk.com/Forum/tabid/55/forumid/1/page/26/view/Topics/Default.aspx). I had since gone to your web site, used the Resolution as a template, applying minor changes, but was ready to submit it to an agreeable board....when I dug up this language in the Assessments section of our bylaws: "Additional Assessments. Additional assessments may be fixed against any Lot ONLY AS PROVIDED FOR IN THIS DECLARATION. (caps mine - no italics). Any such assessments shall be due as provided by the Board of Directors in making any such assessment."

Since it seems to me this would almost negate the ability to treat fines as collectable, I think this would ultimately prevent me from using the language in your own Resolution:

These fines shall be considered Assessments according to Article IV of the Declaration, and shall become a lien against any the violating member’s property. By imposing fines, the Board does not waive any remedy or rights it may have under the Declarations or by applicable law. Costs and attorney's fees incurred in enforcing suspensions described in Section 4(a) or collecting fines described in Section 4(b) shall be considered as Assessments according to Article IV of the Declaration, and shall become a lien against any the violating member’s property.

Do you think, given that Article, that we could still possibly use this paragraph in our resolution? We have no specific 'penalties' language - in fact, I'm pretty much hanging our hat on these few phrases:
(1) the third Whereas paragraph - " [formation] of Deer Point Howmeowners Associatino, Inc. to be formed in order to perform certain functions...including, but not limited to, THE ENFORCEMENT OF THE COVENANTS, CONDITIONS, AND RESTRICTIONS HERIN SET FORTH (caps mine)...."
(2) 2.10 Implied Rights. The Association may exercise any other right or privilege given to it expresly by this Declaration....and every other right or privilege REASONABLY IMPLIED (caps mine) from the existence of any right or privilege given to it herin or REASONABLY NECESSARY TO EFFECTUATE ANY SUCH RIGHT OR PRIVILEGE (caps mine).
and (3)Enforcement. Declarant, the Association or any Owner shall have the right to enforce by any proceeding at law or in equity, all restrictions,....liens and charges now or hereafter imposed by the provisions of this Declaration.....

The latter 2 being of a lesser import than the first (in my opinion). You think we can go through with this, given the language in 5.9, and lacking the specific 'penalties' phrase? Or perhaps I can bring this issue up again in its entirety on this forum again for some more specific opinions? Or perhaps just elimate the "These fines shall be considered Assessments according to Article V of the Declaration" sections that I copied from your Resolution.

You said I may contact you. Hope its not too much, but I thought I'd give you a few more specifics - and we really could use the help. Like I said, we had tried amending the bylaws, and though a majority approved, not enough of the homeowners voted to produce an adequate forum.

Thanks again for the time,

SteveB14
LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
I am bothered by the language that treats fines and assessments as one in the same.

Assessments are like taxes and are levied against the property. Fines are penalties for non-compliance and are directed more toward the owner. Assessments are paid by all owners to cover the costs of having an association; fines are paid only by some owners as a penalty to deter them from violating the rules. They are hardly the same.

You might want to check your state laws on the subject. In Arizona, an HOA can foreclose if the assessments are not paid but cannot foreclose if fines are not paid. The HOA can only file a lien against the property and wait for it to be sold before it can collect. The law treats fines much differently than assessments.

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