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BillD10 (Florida)
Posts: 8
Posted:
Has anyone run into a declarant deciding to stop funding completely before turnover yet still refusing to relinquish board control. We have been to hoa atty who validated declarant right to refuse to pay but knew of no cases where board control was retained. In our case the unbuilt lots were sold to a non developer llc who just bought at firesale. Atty thought we may have legal argument but expensive case to establish case law.
JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
Posted:
Hi Bill:

The information regarding the declarant control is going to be in your association documents. Unfortunately Florida statutes allow a developer pretty much cart-blanche control at this time until potentially future changes are implemented. At this time I personally would not purchase an HOA home in FL in which a developer still has control because of the current laws.

JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
Posted:
Bill:

If you would like to post the exact wording regarding the declarant from your governing documents, then maybe one of us might see something which could help you in the situation.

BillD10 (Florida)
Posts: 8
Posted:
Thanks Janet, I am very versed in fl statue 720 and our documents and have posted looking for any Fl hoa who is going through similar issue. Attorney knew of no case law established for precedent. I don't know statutes in other states . At issue is a developer paying as any " other lot owner" where unimproved lots pay no assessments while at same time not being like any other lot owner in regards to declarant rights. In the mean time owners pay all expenses to preserve future value of the declarants lot resale value and do not control or vote on budget. 5 years from now we will likely be built out but will have covered declarants share until we have an appropriate number of homes built for our level of amenities.
JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
Posted:
Hi Bill:

You might pull up the Warranty Deed where the new non developer purchased the lots on your county records website, and see if it mentions transfer of any declarant control. I know in my state said control is supposed to be legally transferred to a new declarant.

When you state “I don’t know statutes in other states”, are you looking for said statutes? That potentially would not help in your situation as other state statutes would not necessarily apply in FL. I do not know off hand any case law regarding your situation, but if I run across anything I will keep you in mind. I am not an attorney, but I periodically review various cases mostly out of curiosity and also for my HOA.

BillD10 (Florida)
Posts: 8
Posted:
Thanks, our homeowners paid an hoa attorney to review all docs although we are ourselves are well versed. Declarant rights were transferred. If anyone runs into a similar case it would be great to know. Unfortunately we are covered by Florida law and other states may hold developers more accountable , in Florida there is no state oversight, investigation or enforcement agency. Condos in Florida do have a level of protection but Hoas do not.
JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
Posted:
If the declarant rights were transferred then the new entity would potentially have control of the board. What do they say regarding the issue?
BillD10 (Florida)
Posts: 8
Posted:
New entity does control board and also chooses not to pay any support to community so our current homeowners pay all upkeep for amenities and common areas or even reserves that will protect them.. The issue is that new declarant chose also to control board so homeowners are voteless on any matters and declarant does not have to pay anything for choices they make. We have heard of no other developer/declarant choosing this route. Hence no known case law.
Other communities from same defunct developer were sold and with same declarations chose to continue funding the communities.
JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
Posted:
Hi Bill:

Actually many developers in FL choose that route, because they do not have to pay any operating expenses (Per below noted statute). Potentially there is no case law because of the below statute anyone who thought of filing a case would in essence know up front they would probably lose big time.

I read an article a while back in which a FL developer had in the documents where he could amend anything and had control for 15 years. Just before the 15 year period he amended the documents to allow that he controlled until such time as he chose to no longer control. If I remember it was maybe because he was getting a fee for managing the 55+ community, and wanted to continue with ability. Until people ban together to get legislation changed, then in FL a developer in essence pretty much has total control unless potentially limited in the governing documents with turning over control after X number of units sold and if they have not reserved a right to change absolutely everything if desired.  

720.308 Assessments and charges.—

 (b)While the developer is in control of the homeowners’ association, it may be excused from payment of its share of the operating expenses and assessments related to its parcels for any period of time for which the developer has, in the declaration, obligated itself to pay any operating expenses incurred that exceed the assessments receivable from other members and other income of the association.

Many states in which their statutes are based on the Uniform Common Interest Ownership Act do put limitations on the developer. Potentially this may have come into play because too many developers were leaving the HOA after development with no money in which to operate and without proper reserves. Many of these states have the following wording in their statutes:

The declaration, except a declaration for a large planned community, may provide for a period of declarant control of the association, during which period a declarant, or persons designated by such declarant, may appoint and remove the officers and members of the executive board. Regardless of the period of declarant control provided in the declaration, a period of declarant control terminates no later than the earlier of sixty days after conveyance of seventy-five percent of the units that may be created to unit owners other than a declarant, two years after the last conveyance of a unit by the declarant in the ordinary course of business, or two years after any right to add new units was last exercised.

BillD10 (Florida)
Posts: 8
Posted:
Actually , we have not found instances where developer both abandoned guarentee, paid no assessments and maintained board control. In our case we are under a guarentee but under the guarentee and Fl law declarant has choice to pay assessments or to honor guarentee. The ringer is the developer wrote in declarations that unimproved lots pay no assessments ( and are not members of association ). Posting is to find other Florida associations in similiar situation. We have been to knowlegdable HOA attorney.
Fl law does need to change to put a sunset on developer contol but today is limited to 90% build out and we are at about 65%. Fl condo law does have a time limit, hoa law does not.
NancyA2 (Florida)
Posts: 1
Posted:
We are living in a development with exactly that same set of circumstances. Would be very interested in an update from you.
BillD10 (Florida)
Posts: 8
Posted:
Nothing has changed with us , email [email protected] and we can share info. If someone successfully fights we might get some case law on our side.

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