💬 Join us to post & get advice from 50,000 HOA & Condo leaders.

Create Free Account →

⚡ Takes 30 seconds

Already a member? Log in

KurtG1 (Texas)
Posts: 30
Posted:
Last Wednesday will the the second year in a row that my HOA (in Texas) has not held an annual meeting because of a lack of quorum. I asked the guy running the meeting what happens now? Do we schedule another meeting? His response was no that the current board would remain intact and we would try again next year. I went home and read the by-laws and it does have a provision for reducing quorum by half at each subsequent meeting held within 60 days of the last. The section in the by-laws state that we "may" have another meeting but it did not say "must" Right now the board is refusing to schedule one. Is it true that things just stay the same with the board? Are the directors whose terms have expired still directors?
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
As soon as it was determined that a quorum was not reached, another meeting needed to be set. But it should have been done at that meeting.

Check your documents. A Special Meeting can be called, if the Members desire it, for the purpose of electing a board.

If your HOA members are satisfied with this board, then continue on. But if Members really want a change, work to set a meeting.

PS - our documents say that business and an election CAN be held even if a quorum is not reached at the Annual Meeting. Only when amending the bylaws or raising dues is a quorum needed.

LynetteB (Texas)
Posts: 141
Posted:
Check your documents such as the Certificate of Formation, CC&R's, or the Bylaws for specifics regarding the subject of elections. If you can't find anything written at least in your bylaws that states the term of the directors and procedures for election, then refer to the following State docs which list really vague info that apply in the absence of anything being written in the bylaws.
BUSINESS ORGANIZATIONS CODE CHAPTER 22. NONPROFIT CORPORATIONS (Sec 22.101 - 221), and Vernon's Texas Civil Statutes Article 1396-2.08 - 2.28. (The business org code does apply to associations)
How many members are in your association? Are there other concerned members?
We have our elections via mail because most of our members are out of state. We never have a quorum at our annual member meetings, so no "business" is conducted, but it is more of a way to provide information and announce the outcome of the election.
KurtG1 (Texas)
Posts: 30
Posted:
There are 235 members and we have 3 directors whose terms have all expired. 2 expired last year and 1 this year. Hard to tell how many are concerned about this. There were a few members that asked what could be done so that we could achieve quorum and have the ability to vote on directors. We have a lot of foreign folks that own property in the community and it is hard to get them interested. I guess as long as the pool is open in the summer and the street lights are on they don't care. I care because they keep upping the assessments. There is a provision that allows for members to demand a special meeting if you have 1/4 of the members signatures. There is also a clause that allows for the current board members to appoint someone to fill vacated positions. I'm pretty sure they have not done that but I think that clause is there to address when someone resigns rather than their position expires. So as it stands today all of the board members positions have expired. Perhaps pointing this out to them may give them enough concern that they will agree to hold another meeting.

This is the clause in our by-laws pertaining to quorum:

Section 4. Quorum. The presence at the meeting of Members entitled to cast, or of proxies entitled to cast, one-fifth (1/5) of the votes of each class of the Members shall constitute quorum for any actions except as otherwise provided in the Articles of Incorporation, the Declaration, or these By-Laws. If, however, such quorum shall not be present or represented at any meeting, another meeting may be called subject to the same notice requirement, and the required quorum at the subsequent meeting shall be one-half (1/2) of the required quorum at the preceding meeting. No subsequent meeting shall be held more than 60 days following the preceding meeting.

SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
Another meeting HAS to be called within 60 days of the last one - and will be subject to the reduced quorum rate.

Apparently the Members are satisfied with the board leadership OR really don't care. The fact that you can't get 20% to show up, even with proxies allowed, to meet your meeting quorum proves that.

The board keeps raising dues without a meeting of the members. The raise must be within an allowable percentage rate for the board to do this.

Sorry - apathy is rampant.

KurtG1 (Texas)
Posts: 30
Posted:
I asked the President of the HOA flat out if we were going try again to have an annual meeting. She told me that we were not because they (the board) didn't think it was fair to hold an election with reduced quorum numbers. I may try to force an annual meeting. I can go the special meeting route but that requires I get a bunch of signatures (25%). I'm hoping that the section of the by-laws that deals with failure to hold an annual meeting applies which only requires that I send a letter to the President of the HOA. So did we technically have a meeting since one was scheduled but wasn't counted as being official because of the lack of quorum? BTW, she said that the other board members have already appointed her to fill her expired seat.
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
The time to set the next meeting was at the meeting, not this late. and ANYONE could have motioned for that to take place.

What do your documents say about board members' terms: are they just for a time period, or "when replaced at election." Board members may be "safe" until replaced at an election.

Sounds like this board is very comfortable where it is.

If YOU are not comfortable with this board, get a Special election started. But it sounds like you are fighting homeowner apathy, not board members.
KurtG1 (Texas)
Posts: 30
Posted:
The by-laws are a bit vague. The terms are 2 years and there is nothing that states until replaced. There is a provision that states that if the annual meeting is not held a member can request it be held by sending a letter to the president. Much further down in the by-laws where they talk about vacancies, which they do not define except for death or resignation or removal, the remaining board is able to appoint someone to fill the vacant seat. This is what the president stated that they already did. So my question is, did we technically have an annual meeting? Nobody stood up and said the meeting is called to order or anything like that. There was just an announcement that since there is not a quorum present we can't have an official meeting.
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
No; there was not a "meeting" - as soon as the presiding officer noted a lack of quorum, the only "business" that can be conducted is to set the date for another meeting.

BTW - My HOA requires a quorum at the annual meeting ONLY if voting on amendments or increase in dues. Otherwise, any other business can be conducted. So committee chairpersons can give reports, the financials are approved and elections are held in front of how many show up. This is stated in our bylaws.

SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
No; there was not a "meeting" - as soon as the presiding officer noted a lack of quorum, the only "business" that can be conducted is to set the date for another meeting.

BTW - My HOA requires a quorum at the annual meeting ONLY if voting on amendments or increase in dues. Otherwise, any other business can be conducted. So committee chairpersons can give reports, the financials are approved and elections are held in front of how many show up. This is stated in our bylaws.

KurtG1 (Texas)
Posts: 30
Posted:
Thanks Susan. You have been quite helpful.
GreggH (Texas)
Posts: 1
Posted:
Susan, would you mind posting the wording used for this in your bylaws?

We just had a lack of quorum at our annual meeting last night. There has been a discussion of reducing our percentage requirement, but I like your HOA's solution better.

Thanks
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,047
Posted:
Perhaps the quorum requirement is too high. Ours is only 10% of the membership unless voting on amendments or increase in assessments above 5% (which the board can do without membership approval).
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
From the info you provided the Board acted correctly and they are not required to hold another meeting, you were correct in your interpretation of the word "MAY". And yes it is common practice that the Board would remain in place until they resign or their replacements were duly elected. Was there anyone running against the sitting members or would they have been re-elected if the meeting had taken place? Your complaint that they keep raising assessments may be a valid one however there may be a valid reason for the rise in assessments. If you think the BOD is out of control you have two options:

1. Attempt to call a Special Meeting and recall the Board or

2. Get candidates in place for next year and use the time to educate your neighbors on the importance of being involved and at the very least show up next year armed with their proxies.

Studies show that 5 out of 4 people have problems with fractions
KurtG1 (Texas)
Posts: 30
Posted:
Thanks Glenn. I finally got to talk to a board member (none seem willing to respond to emails). She told me that they were not going to schedule another meeting because it wasn't fair to elect new members with reduced quorum. We require 15% for the annual meeting but only 10% for assessment increases above 15%. I'm working on getting the 25% member signatures necessary to call a special meeting. I'm going to make another request at the next HOA meeting to hold an annual meeting before forcing things with a special meeting.

I don't think they are out of control, I actually think they did a good job last year. They took over and picked up a lot of the slack with managing the association because our old management company basically refused to work with them any longer. I'm looking into why that relationship went bad and I think it had to do with expectations. The management company was not doing some things they should have been doing. The board was expecting things that were not the management companies job.

It looks that the amount assessments increased corresponds to the higher price being paid to the management company. There were competing bids that came in around $12000 and the one selected is $18000. I understand "you get what you pay for". However, there was an amount of work they signed up for and if they are no longer willing to do it then they should hold an annual meeting and give someone else a chance. I have 3 candidates already lined up.

There was a form you could send in if you wanted your name placed on the ballot. Nobody ever sends them in. I think the current board members were all floor nominations when they were initially elected. So, at least in this neighborhood, not sending in the application doesn't mean anything.

I've found that an expired board seat is expired until an election is held to fill the seat. This means that all 3 seats are expired. Board members can continue on in their board member roles until they are replaced by an election or until they resign. I'm going to switch tactics away from reduced quorum since it say MAY rather than MUST and see if I can use the provision in Texas Law that states that a member can ask that an annual meeting be held if the board fails to call one. I don't think it fits 100% since they did call the meeting, it just didn't take place.

From a board members perspective, why would you not try again to have an annual meeting? If you have been doing a stellar job then why not stand up during the board presentation and tell the members what all they have done for them. Brag a little. Don't want to waste the money on another meeting because you think nobody will show up again? Afraid only pissed off people will show up and vote you out? Go around and get proxies and vote for yourself. Heck, you even get a head start since you don't have to send notifications until 2 weeks prior to the meeting.
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
No board member can change HOA bylaws or CCRs or state documents because he/she feels that it isn't "fair."

The bylaws MUST be followed and that board should have followed the procedures in their own bylaws.

Watch this group: They seem to be making things up as they go along.

BeegeeM (Texas)
Posts: 6
Posted:
Hello, I just found this site and this thread and figured I would see if you were still having problems. We have the same problem with not meeting quorum at our Annual meetings, but there are new laws in effect now that will change a lot of this. Are you aware of the new legislature that was passed last year and has gone into effect as of 01/01/2012?
PennyK (Florida)
Posts: 59
Posted:
Can you tell me what new law does it apply to Florida too?
I have similar problems homeowner apathy not enough quorum too
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,047
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By PennyK on 09/24/2012 8:17 PM
Can you tell me what new law does it apply to Florida too?
I have similar problems homeowner apathy not enough quorum too

Penny,

I think BeeGee was talking about a TX statute.
Only federal laws would apply to HOAs in different States.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,047
Posted:
Please note that this thread is a year old.

As BeeGee demonstrates, laws change. Therefore, because laws change, it's best to start a new thread than to reactivate an old thread as what was once sound advice may no longer be applicable due to those changes.

🎯 You've read this entire discussion

Join the conversation with 50,000 HOA & Condo Leaders:

  • ✓ Ask follow-up questions
  • ✓ Share your experience
  • ✓ Get expert advice
  • ✓ Access 350,000 discussions
Create Free Account →

⚡ Takes 30 seconds

Already a member? Log in here