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LarryD3
(Florida)

Posts:3

06/28/2008 1:27 PM
Does the Boca Loga Condomium HOA require any initiation fees? This condo complex is located in Boca Raton, FL. Those with helpful information please identify the source of your personal experience which results in this knowledge. Thanks

DonnaS
(Tennessee)

Posts:2833

06/28/2008 2:22 PM
Larry, You will find the answer in your governing documents or if you cannot find the answer there, ask your Property manager or Board President. We surely cannot give nyou an answer without knowing what your documents say. Those are the big stack of papers that you should have recieved when you bougth your condo. It is also possible that either the Builder or the Board of Directors initiated this charge sometime after they took turnover from the developer. Some places call that an "Interview Fee" or processing fee. It is quite normal in So. Florida to charge this fee.

RobertR1
(South Carolina)

Posts:2152

06/28/2008 4:06 PM
LarryD3, From where I sit Larry, you are not likely to get much help from a request like you posted. First, I, for one would not want to be giving advice on the internet about a specific item for a specific association. All this jabber we put out here has to be taken as someone's humble opinion, not a declaritive expression of law or truth. We can say I believe this or that to be the case, but are on dangerous ground when we start dealing in specific places and proposing what could be taken as legal advice or suggestive of legal advice. I think if you re-pharse your question and state it in general terms, do not refer to specific places and don't ask for something that you expect you can take to your governor or whatever and say, "You guys are all full of crap and it says so right here on the internet site HOAtalk. As always, IMHO>

LarryD3
(Florida)

Posts:3

06/29/2008 4:22 AM
OK Then! In plain English does anyone have personal experience with this HOA? Just wanted to know if you know of any "land mines." Example: One nearby condo HOA requires a 40K Membership Fee into their Country Club.

MaryA1
(Arizona)

Posts:2241

06/29/2008 4:32 AM
Please calm down, Larry. For starters this is not a forum for Boca Loga residents. This forum is populated by people from all over the country. Granted there are many from FL, but don't know if any live in your area. However, getting to your question. Are you asking about fees charged to new property owners? The country club membership fee is not unusual even for an HOA. Even if it is owned by the HOA, it is probably run separately and not all HOA members are required to belong. Some HOAs do charge fees to new owners; sometimes called preservation fees or buy-in fees. These fees can run in the thousands and are usually used to fund the reserves. As far as wanting to know if your HOA charges these fees; I would think you are the one who should know -- afterall you live there. Have you checked your CCRs to see what they say about these fees?

KirkW1
(Texas)

Posts:1145

06/29/2008 5:57 AM
I would offer this advice: You should be able to obtain a full set of the governing documents BEFORE you decide to buy. You are doing well to investigate the association before you buy. I would also ask about such things from the management company. While there could be a fee to get a copy of the documents, they should be glad to answer your questions. And if their answers don't match up with what the docs seem to say, then it is a red flag.

RobertR1
(South Carolina)

Posts:2152

06/29/2008 7:00 AM
Kirk and all, Good post Kirk, you got me thinking, and Mary had already used up my thinking minutes for the day. For those iterested, especially Larry, you might want to Google Boca Lga HOA. Seems to have made the papers.

DonnaS
(Tennessee)

Posts:2833

06/29/2008 7:07 AM
Larry, Are you new to Florida or at least to HOA living? You state a country club membership fee at $40,000? That my friend is a bargain or as we call it, cheap. There are equity clubs around here that get $100,000 for the startup fee and then annual dues of $20 or 30, 000. Your specific question about your Boca Loga place will not be answered. First of all, we don't know what you are fishing for, we do not have your documents in front of us, we are not on site so that we know the situation AND no one here will make any statements that could become liable in nature. Sorry but we try to answer Board and Committee questions to help understand documents and laws.

LarryD3
(Florida)

Posts:3

07/01/2008 5:34 PM
Robert, Before posting my initial request, I googled "Boca Loga HOA" and got no reasonably related results. Mostly got foreign sites and links. Thought I'd check on this forum to see if anyone knew anything of specific importance. Thanks for your suggested google search terms "Boca Lga HOA" (spell check), however. This does result in lots of news articles. Lots of La Guardia airport (LGA), and noise pollution news articles but nothing related to my question. You do win the most helpful post award. Believe it or not! I do get a good laugh. So again, thanks for posting.

RobertR1
(South Carolina)

Posts:2152

07/01/2008 8:14 PM
It is there and it is in Google and this is part of it. http://www.ccfj.net/HOAFLgolfmandclub.html If you can't get the above url, try www.ccfj.net and ask there. Best to my knowledge.

GlenL
(Ohio)

Posts:1375

07/01/2008 9:15 PM
And a very timely four year old article it was, I hope by now they've got the problem solved.

RobertR1
(South Carolina)

Posts:2152

07/02/2008 4:52 AM
Glen, If the article was written in the same year as the action and that was four years ago, I suspect the whole thing ought to be in mid term now. Which brings up a good point that might drawn some thoughtful consideration. When this kind of trouble develops or evolves in an orgainization because of ( and I am not geing specific to this issue) some kind of mis, mal or plain egos battles or skimming deeds, how long do you reckon it lasts after the issue is settled? I am of the opinion, even if the smallest kind of cancer is allowed to festor in a association, long after the course has been run, the effect remains. I am of the opinion that if my association ever gets on the right track (and we are trying) there will be carry over for years and maybe forever. Associations are constantly evolving and pushed this way or that by new principals with new agendas and it becomes much more desireable to put it behind us quickly, than to cleanup the battle field. Any comments. I also note this name Boca Loga is a problem for Google and it sort of takes some more searching other than just plugging in Boca Loga. It gave me fits for some reason and I went back and picked a file from my History and was able to get back to where I wanted.

DwightT
(Idaho)

Posts:456

07/02/2008 8:14 AM
Posted By RobertR1 on 07/02/2008 4:52 AM Glen, Which brings up a good point that might drawn some thoughtful consideration. When this kind of trouble develops or evolves in an orgainization because of ( and I am not geing specific to this issue) some kind of mis, mal or plain egos battles or skimming deeds, how long do you reckon it lasts after the issue is settled? I am of the opinion, even if the smallest kind of cancer is allowed to festor in a association, long after the course has been run, the effect remains. I am of the opinion that if my association ever gets on the right track (and we are trying) there will be carry over for years and maybe forever. If your issues were published anywhere, then there will be carry over for as long as the Internet exists. As another small example, many years ago (before Al Gore invented the Internet even) I posted an article about Sweeney Todd in a Usenet newsgroup. Then a couple of years ago during a job interview, the interviewer suddenly asked me to tell him about Sweeney Todd. He had looked me up on the Internet and found that old article. Once it gets into the archives, it will be there forever.

RobertR1
(South Carolina)

Posts:2152

07/02/2008 8:55 AM
Dwight, Interesting anecdote and certainly a new information source (the internet) that has changed the world. I certainly hope it will be for the better. I suspect once this machine we call a Home Owners Association and during it's life span one gets a big enough shove in a specific direction, fall out will accur for years and effort will have to be made to compensate this shove, that may or could prove harmsful.

GlenL
(Ohio)

Posts:1375

07/02/2008 2:39 PM
Robert I have no doubt that anything involving people with their egos and feelings can and will fester. Some people it seems are genetically incapable of letting go and accepting when they are in the wrong or when they loose. We all know people who can recite every slight and injustice they have ever received in life and the person or persons responsible for them. And to be clear while the close proximity of life in an HOA might exacerbate this type of behavior the Hatfield's and the McCoy's didn't live in one.

RobertR1
(South Carolina)

Posts:2152

07/02/2008 3:53 PM
Glen, You seem to have a valid point but there is no doubt in my mind, if it has not happened already, that we don't get a copy of astronauts M/F duking it out in speace over who gets to re-enter the station first after a space walk. In any event, as I have mentioned before, a little bit of spice makes for a better soup. Our recent annual meeting was showcased with several folks trying to settle differences that really would have been settled better befor the meeting. Not because their issues were trivial, but our Board never gave them a change before the annual meeting. In a discussion with some other owners about the incident I was surprised and pleased to hear a couple of folks approve of this contentious airing. Several felt, there is no down side to these outbursts and only a graphic demonstration of Democrocy at work and the good will manisfest itsself at a later time. I agree, because in my experience there can be simple arguments over personal agendas or ego posturing, and nothing serious comes of it. But the right to argue is powerful medicine and should never be deminished.

GlenL
(Ohio)

Posts:1375

07/02/2008 4:23 PM
Robert as long as it's kept civil then I agree discourse is healthy. As a matter of fact our Association holds three Open Forum meetings a year in addition to the monthly Board meetings and the Annual meeting. While homeowners are allowed to speak at these meetings, the primary purpose in them is to conduct the business of the Association and speaking time is limited. At the Open Forum meetings the primary focus is what's on the mind of the members; in these meetings anything can be asked, problems aired, opinions expressed etc. Everyone is given ample speaking time and I've never heard anyone complain they didn't get a chance to make their point. Since these were started a few years ago the tension is down in the community and the rumor mill while still here has a harder time to start problems.

MicheleD
(Kentucky)

Posts:1704

07/02/2008 6:34 PM
Am I the only one who is at a complete and total loss about what in the heck the Original Poster is even asking, much less WHY he is asking US?

GlenL
(Ohio)

Posts:1375

07/02/2008 6:45 PM
Michele I believe he was asking if there was a mandatory initiation fee for that particular Association; as it was his first post I would cut him some slack.

RobertR1
(South Carolina)

Posts:2152

07/02/2008 6:46 PM
Glen, When I, and others I am sure, read your post, I wish there was some way to convey the indignation that I am sure boils inside us. There is nothing unreasonable about what you all are doing, makes perfect sense and I am sure has it's internal problems at times. But the honesty and concern of the Board's to do this routinely, is clear to any thinking person. On the other hand there are the demigods that for some strange reason are absolute;y terrified of an open book type of control. And that is large part what this is, just different ways of trying to maintain control and and make no mistake both groups here may have the same desires, they want to feel good about themselves, they want to give something back, they think they can get the job done, and scads more reasons, But if you match the two side by side, one stands head and shoulders above the other. Who would not select the open, cordial, caring and effecient form of government, So, here some of of sit, hearing success storys and living tenuous lives because we are always waiting for the next big brother act that will require tons of effort just to maintain the status quo. Of course your post is a dramatic presentation it can be done.

RobertR1
(South Carolina)

Posts:2152

07/02/2008 7:01 PM
Michele, Well I second that and maybe we need a timekeeper. We (I am guilty) of getting off the point, if, the conversation looks stimulating enough to hold attention. That being true, I don't think anything would be lost if we just dropped the whole thing.

KarenS11
(Florida)

Posts:145

07/02/2008 7:13 PM
Do yo mean Boca Lago? A google search revealed that there was a vote to make membership mandatory, but it did not pass. The article that I saw was a couple of years old, so that may not be the case now, if Boca Lago is the HOA that you are talking about.

MicheleD
(Kentucky)

Posts:1704

07/02/2008 9:15 PM
Glen, I wasn't going to jump his case. I'm just completely lost in what he thinks this forum is and why he thinks we would no inner details of a community that he probably has better access to than anyone here. Of course, he probably hoped that there was someone from the area's HOA on the board, but that's obviously not the case or he/she would have stepped forward by now to handle his concerns. If he is a homeowner there, he would be better served reading his documents. If he is NOT a homeowner there, but is doing research to see if he WANTS to be, then he still is better served by having the HOA provide him with the governing documents. Most will if asked. We do. Other HOAs around here do. If he can't get them by asking, then just note one of the addresses, make a quick trip to the county recorder's office or deed room, and nab a copy for himself. Then, if he has problems with any of the passages, we could probably help if he quotes the docs in a post.

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